High Resolution Images
Valerie Sutton
sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Mon Mar 31 23:00:00 UTC 2008
Very interesting, Bill.
I will remember this message when we start the work -
Many thanks, Val
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On Mar 31, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Bill Reese wrote:
> Hi Val,
>
> I use AutoCAD to create construction drawings for civil engineering
> projects. It's not SVG, it's DXF, but the end result is the
> similar: avoids raster stair-stepping and pixilation.
>
> It will be very interesting to see what comes of the work you and
> Steve will be doing with the conversion. :-)
>
> When doing the translation, leave yourself open for adjustments.
> Human symbol recognition is of a very high order. While there needs
> to be a limit on the variation of a symbol for the perception to be
> identical, format changes may require those variations. Therefore,
> a "clean-cut" representation of the symbol may not necessarily mean
> a perfectly accurate translation to SVG from PNG, but, rather, one
> which achieves the same perception.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill -
>> It is interesting to know that you work with vector graphics...it
>> is a world I am just learning about -
>>
>> What is your work with vectors?
>>
>> Steve will be creating a Symbol Editor for me to try to turn our
>> ISWA bitmaps into SVG later...it will be fun for me to learn it ;-))
>>
>> Just in general, when it comes to different typeface styles for
>> SignWriting symbols...
>>
>> When it comes to beginning readers in any writing system...usually
>> simple plain symbols, without serifs and fancy swirls...are better
>> for beginning readers...then later, as the readers become advanced,
>> the beauty of other typeface designs can be appreciated and read
>> just as easily...
>>
>> In SignWriting it is no different. A square and a circle have
>> different meanings in SignWriting. Beginning readers need to be
>> able to see a clear-cut square and a clear circle...a square that
>> has rounded corners could be misread as a circle...no need to
>> confuse people.
>>
>> So I feel the SVG has to be very clear...and most readers of
>> SignWriting are beginners around the world, as SignWriting
>> Literature is not plentiful enough yet...although more Literature
>> is being produced daily and that will change over time...
>>
>> So other typeface designs of SignWriting symbols are welcome, but
>> our world standard for the SVG needs to start with clean-cut
>> symbols...
>>
>> But I am impressed with Inkscape...quite an accomplishment...
>>
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> ----------
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Bill Reese wrote:
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> A straight line is a curve with a radius of infinity. ;-)
>>>
>>> Almost joking. I work with vectors every day and have seen a
>>> drawing done that way. The "look" of the drawing was as if there
>>> were lines and curves but it was all done with arcs.
>>> Theoretically, as long as the visual impact is the same, does it
>>> matter? After all, the world isn't flat but try telling that to
>>> someone who wants something "perfectly flat." Essentially (and
>>> simplistically), they're saying they want something that
>>> approximates the curvature of the earth so that nothing will roll
>>> on it.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam Frost wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I agree. Which is why I had a hard time trying to create SVG
>>>> with SignWriting. Inkscape has no idea which lines are supposed
>>>> to be curved and which are supposed to be straight when doing
>>>> batching.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> March 31, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow. I didn't realize that Inkscape was how Machado did the SVG
>>>>> of the IMWA 2004...I thought the software was specifically
>>>>> developed just for the SignWriting symbols to become SVG...so
>>>>> this is good news...thanks for informing us!
>>>>>
>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. Yesterday I finished the final ID numbers of the ISWA 2008!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am cleaning some of the bitmapped graphics, to make the
>>>>> bitmaps look prettier, while Steve is finishing his new
>>>>> software....and then we will be testing the ISWA with the new
>>>>> software...Then we are planning an SVG version of the ISWA
>>>>> too...so in time, the SVG version of the ISWA will become the
>>>>> norm is my guess...
>>>>>
>>>>> But one point about the SVG that Steve and I hope to produce of
>>>>> the ISWA...I am hoping that the squares will be sharp-lined
>>>>> squares, with clean lines, rather than the tracing effect that
>>>>> the Inkscape created...then, once our very perfect SVG version
>>>>> is created, of course others can create different typestyle
>>>>> effects, such as the Inkscape style...but our original SVG of
>>>>> the ISWA needs to really look like the original bitmaps except
>>>>> without the zagged lines...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, it can. That is how the SVG symbols for 2004 were done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Bill Reese wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stuart,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That looks good! Looking real quick at Inkscape's online
>>>>>>> manual, it appears it may be able to do batch conversions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thiessen Stuart wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi! I did a quick test with my namesign with Inkscape. I just
>>>>>>>> imported the namesign from SignPuddle and then told it to
>>>>>>>> trace the bitmap. Here are the results. I told it to output
>>>>>>>> in SVG and OpenDocument Drawing (which is something
>>>>>>>> OpenOffice can read).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2008, at 11:34 , Stephen Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sandy and everyone:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the offer. I actually had that sign class the
>>>>>>>>> same day I sent this message so I had to make do with the
>>>>>>>>> pixelated images. I would be very interested to see the
>>>>>>>>> software once it is finished!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stuart:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the tip on inkscape. I will definitly look
>>>>>>>>> into that and see what I can come up with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Valerie:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the link to the SVG IMWA 2004.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all: so far the class has been going great. All the
>>>>>>>>> students seem to be picking up sign writing and they ask
>>>>>>>>> questions to clarify at the end. It will be interesting to
>>>>>>>>> see how well they will understand it by the end of the class.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> Stephen Jones
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Stephen,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many signs are you thinking of? I'm working (very
>>>>>>>>> slowly, I'm
>>>>>>>>> afraid), on software that can produce this sort of thing.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately
>>>>>>>>> it's not ready yet, but I could perhaps produce what you
>>>>>>>>> want in the
>>>>>>>>> interim if there's not too much of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You could of course just learn Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro or
>>>>>>>>> similar!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sandy Fleming
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 15:13 -0400, Stephen Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I am currently trying to make signs that are about the
>>>>>>>>> size of half a
>>>>>>>>> > page. Is there an easy way to make the signs larger
>>>>>>>>> without them
>>>>>>>>> > becoming pixelated? I am making these for use in a
>>>>>>>>> conversational ASL
>>>>>>>>> > class at my church.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> > Stephen Jones
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
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>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Valerie Sutton
>> Sutton at SignWriting.org
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>> 1. SignWriting
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>> 2. SignPuddle
>> Create SignWriting Documents Online
>> http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle
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>> 3. SignBank
>> SignWriting Desktop Databases
>> http://www.SignBank.org
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Valerie Sutton
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Read & Write Sign Languages
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2. SignPuddle
Create SignWriting Documents Online
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SignWriting Desktop Databases
http://www.SignBank.org
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