a sandbank for SignWriting

Sun May 11 16:28:06 UTC 2008

Another way would be to SignMail it to yourself from there. That way you not only have the image, but you can later update the information by reloading it. 

Adam

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From: "Cherie Wren" <cwterp at yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:24:53 
To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] a sandbank for SignWriting

I save things for myself by writing them in signpuddle, via signmaker, clicking the 'save to dictionary' button:  ON the next page right click on the image and save the image to my pictures, and then cancel the save to the dictionary.  Then I have the sign saved, but it isn't cluttering up the dictionary.  You get all the functionality of signpuddle, but you aren't putting your experiments into the dictionary.  

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From: Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
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Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:06:08 AM
Subject: Re: [sw-l] a sandbank for SignWriting

 SignWriting List
May 11, 2008

Hi Charles and Carl -
Thanks for this information...

The closest thing we have to the "sandbox" idea, is the PocketPuddle. It is a USB stick, that has SignPuddle software on it, and it does not require an internet connection. You can plug it into your USB port on your computer, and create your own private dictionaries and puddles offline...

PocketPuddles cost us money to manufacture, and the software is not always up-to-date with what we have online, so it has its drawbacks too...But there are several people who use PocketPuddles in the UK...they work best on Windows, although special installation is possible for Macs and Linux...

PocketPuddle

http://www.suttonshop.com/ecommerce/pages/products_sw_detail.jsp?id=49.0 <http://www.suttonshop.com/ecommerce/pages/products_sw_detail.jsp?id=49.0> 

The software on the PocketPuddle is SignPuddle 1.5.

Later this year, our SignPuddle Online will be upgrading to the new ISWA 2008. That will be called SignPuddle 2.0.

The PocketPuddle will not be updated to SignPuddle 2.0 software for some time, so it uses an older version of the software...

Val ;-)

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On May 11, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
Sandbank, like Sandbox, would be a scratch pad to be able to temporarily save an effort in sign writing, and not have it go to SignBank or the SignPuddle.

This is a place to practice signwriting, but not have it go into a dictionary but be like a writing pad, a place to construct a sign with the software (as opposed to writing it on paper), save it in sort of a little private box so you can have it to look at, but not have it go into the online SignPuddle or SignBank until they have a final copy. Right now, we have to have multiple versions in the SignPuddle that then have to be edited out.

Charles

Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org> > wrote: SignWriting List
May 11, 2008

Carl Jones from the UK wrote:
> First, congratulations on the SignWriting Image Server. It's 
> looking awesome. :-)

Thank you, Carl...I am sure that Steve will be glad to know you feel 
that way... I agree. Steve did an awesome job!

> I was wondering. In BSL, or at least in my dialect, the sign for 
> 'poor' is scratching your elbow. How would you write this? How do 
> you write that something has contact with the fingernails, not the 
> fingers?

We have a similar sign for POOR in American Sign Language...The 
fingers brush twice at the elbow. See two ways of writing that ASL 
sign here:

Although in the general Sutton Movement Writing system, we can 
differentiate between fingertips and fingerpads, we have never written 
the fingernail...I personally cut my fingernails down to the bone, so 
that I have no fingernails, and I often wear gloves when I sign for 
medical reasons, yet I can still sign...so I am sure that "fingertip" 
is enough information...and whether it is the nail or not, would not 
change the meaning of the sign...

In the UK, I know that you pronounce the word "schedule" differently 
than we do here in the US, but our two countries still spell (write) 
the word "schedule" with the same or similar spellings, even though we 
pronounce the same word differently, so we do not write with enormous 
detail for everyday use in English either...what matters is...is there 
another sign in BSL that has a different meaning, if the person had 
fingernails or not? I doubt that ;-)

So fingertips is enough information, rather than fingernail!

>
> The BSL sign for 'when' involves drumming your fingers against your 
> face-from pinkie to index. How on earth would you write that?

We definitely can write that! No problem...see attached diagram here:

> Finally, I was wondering if it's possible to make a 'sandbank' for 
> SignWriting, so you can practise signing and don't have to save it?

What is a sandbank? Do you mean a SignBank?

What do you mean by "don't have to save it"?...smile

We do have a program called "SignBank"...

SignBank
http://www.SignBank.org <http://www.SignBank.org> 

Val ;-)

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