AW: [sw-l] Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENT

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM
Thu Nov 20 21:24:32 UTC 2008

Hi Valerie, Natasha, Charles, sw-list 


I do not know the ASL sign for Government – there is another variation at


Charles, can you write your spelling with SignPuddle and add the graphic to
your message?  


Stefan ;-)



Von: sw-l-bounces at
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 19:51
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENT


If one knows the sign, this is quite compact and contains all the
information necessary to  read outside to inside to end at the point of
contact.  I checked on


to get a video of the sign (they only have Governor) but that is Govern +


Notes on writing.


Reading from the inside out.  


1) Sign ends at point of contact (the palm facing usually written).  At that
point, the hand is palm facing the reader, the index finger as written is
palm down, which is the point of initial movement not the ending movement.  


2) The knuckle bend is shown correctly.


3) The wrist movement is backward.  If one follows the circle, one's index
finger would be going toward the center which is the opposite of the
movement if one is signing one's own hand.  As it is a complete circular
movement, the type of movement is correct, just the rotation of the arrow
needs to be mirrored.  


So, to fix the writing:


1) Reverse the wrist circle (imagine the index finger circling away from
you, which is out from the center in writing).  


2) Change the palm facing on the index finger to palm toward the reader (all
white, not half and half).  


3) Leave the knuckle bend where it is.  The whole writing is compact and
actually quite elegant.


Charles Butler



Valerie Sutton <signwriting at> wrote:

SignWriting List
November 20, 2008

Hello SW List!
This morning Natasha sent the SW List an email, and I am not sure why, 
but the message came through only through the Digest version of the SW 
List, but not into my email just in case, I am re-posting 
Natasha's question to the List to be sure you all got it....

I hope the SignWriting teachers on the List will answer Natasha's 
question! Thank you Natasha for this question! Val ;-)

PS. I am enjoying my visit with my sister...thank you, Adam, for 
wishing us a happy Thanksgiving and I want to wish a happy 
Thanksgiving to you too, and to all who celebrate the holiday here in 
the US...Actually Thanksgiving Day is a week from today, but my sister 
came early because she cannot be here on the real Thanksgiving we are celebrating ;-)


> From: "Natasha Escalada-Westland" 
> Date: November 20, 2008 5:19:42 AM PST
> To: "SignWriting Listserve" 
> Subject: [sw-l] ASL sign for government
> Reply-To: "SignWriting List" 
> Hi All,
> I just wanted some feedback on this version I wrote of the ASL sign 
> for "government".
> Thanks!
> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.


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