AW: [sw-l] a few things...

Tue Nov 11 14:09:02 UTC 2008

Cultures differ indeed. As far as I know, Norwegian SL is unique (?) in that several standard Norwegian names have standard sign versions. This means that most namesigns are not personal, but sign version of the person's spoken/ speechwritten name. Fingerspelling is used only as inroduction to foreign names, and quickly repalced by signs.

NSL do also have personal name signs, either because the name is not a common one, or because that person has 'earned' it in some way (by caracteristics or deeds or otherways). Stadard namesigns are mostly preffered, as far as I know. Ingvild > From: stefanwoehrmann at googlemail.com> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> Subject: AW: [sw-l] a few things...> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:15:32 +0100> > Hi Adam, Stuart,... > > well I followed the discussion about name signs on the teach ASL- list as> well -- > > And what a surprise - and Adam - I feel gratefull for your additional> comment - smile. > > Obviously there seems to be big differences between different cultural> backgrounds ... > > I understand that the ASL - comunity has developed a strong feeling of> political correct use of name signs. - and other topics!!!> > Within our school and same is true for many SL - courses starting at level 1> the deaf instructors seem not to be afraid whatsoever to use, to accept, to> invent or to encourage people to give name signs to others ... So in Germany> the Deaf don't include fingerspelling that much as we can see this in ASL --> > > This is somehow confusing if within the same facility people invent "new"> name signs just because they are not informed or just because they develop> their feeling for appropriate signs ... hm > > In addition to that - there is in Gemany now every day one central news> broadcast with a SL - interpreter in a little window ( smile) These> interpreters show up with name signs for VIPs constantly and it is a> wonderfull opportunity to write down what they sign as well as for our> politicians as well as for foreign politicians. So the reason for my> interest in the use of name signs in the ASL comunity has been to compare,> to understand, to discuss ... > > Nevertheless I understand from what I could read that this seems to be a> can of worms and as a hearing teacher for deaf children it is a welcome> opportunity to develop more sensitivity for these issues. > > Thanks again > > Stefan ;-)> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost> Gesendet: Montag, 10. November 2008 23:02> An: SignWriting List> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] a few things...> > I had to step back for a minute a realize where this was coming from > because I was just having a discussion with another group about this > same topic. I am trying to figure out how to tell you what the > discussion on the TeachASL list was without sounding harsh, so bear > with me. ;-)> > First, lets take a look at name signs as they are used and giving in > the US in ASL. A name sign is only used when talking about a person > that has importance in the Deaf community that is not present. > Therefore, a name sign is not just given to anyone (this also includes > people who are in the Deaf community) and given with great care. This > is especially the case when you are dealing with a name sign on a > national level. You may be able to find local examples that don't > follow this, but that will not happen nationally. These local example > are usually "in house" discussions of a particular person that goes > into great length, so ad hoc name signs are created so that > fingerspelling doesn't have to be done over and over for those people > who don't like fingerspelling.> > Having said that, unless our president elect has done something that > has cause for the Deaf community to not only talk about him in great > length, but also has made a great impact on the community, there will > never be a "final" name sign for him. All of these ad hoc name signs > will disappear as soon as the discussion of him disappear. Of course, > the only other way for this to be different would be for the Deaf > community to become very involved in politics overnight. And I mean > every member of the community, not just a few.> > If you look back at all of the past US presidents, only Lincoln and > Washington have name signs. Some say that is because Washington is the > founding father and Lincoln was the president during the civil war > that brought the nation back together. Lincoln has his name sign > because he was the president that made it possible for Gallaudet > University. I feel that Washington is a rare ad hoc name sign by back > translation from the state Washington and capital Washington DC. It is > only because there is a state that has a sign as well as the same name > as the president that the ad hoc name sign is used nationally. (That > and that his name is very important in US history so every school has > to talk about him a lot.)> > Now, I know that it could be said that Barack Obama is a great impact > because he is the first African American to be elected. True, but that > doesn't impact the Deaf community, so that is why he hasn't received a > name sign. So I hope that answers your question of there being a final > name sign for him. And I hope that I haven't sounded harsh, but it is > a little pet peeve that I have so it is hard not to seem angry even > though I am not. :-)> > Adam> > On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Peter DeHaas wrote:> >> > Did anyone ever come up with a final sign name for our new president > > elect???> >> > Best,> >> > Peter DeHaas> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________> >> > SW-L SignWriting List> >> > Post Message> > SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> >> > List Archives and Help> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/> >> > Change Email Settings> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l> >> > > > > ____________________________________________> > SW-L SignWriting List> > Post Message> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> > List Archives and Help> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/> > Change Email Settings> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l> > > -- > Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender,> die bei mir bis jetzt 323 Spammails entfernt hat.> Rund 5,6 Millionen Leute nutzen SPAMfighter schon. > Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde> > -- > Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender,> die bei mir bis jetzt 323 Spammails entfernt hat.> Rund 5,6 Millionen Leute nutzen SPAMfighter schon. > Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde> > -- > Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender,> die bei mir bis jetzt 323 Spammails entfernt hat.> Rund 5,6 Millionen Leute nutzen SPAMfighter schon. > Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde> > > > > > ____________________________________________> > SW-L SignWriting List> > Post Message> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> > List Archives and Help> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/> > Change Email Settings> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l> 
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