Question about clipping signs from the dictionary.

Fri Nov 21 15:43:04 UTC 2008

The most likely reason is your computer doesn't like transparency. I  
have personally learned to stop doing that because there are some who  
can't see my copy and paste anyways. So what I do is I use the save  
image as and save it to my desktop, then I place it in my email. It  
can be a little bit of a pain, but at least I know that it will work  
more that copy and paste which seems to only work when it wants to.  
Hope this helps.

Adam

On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:51 AM, "Charles Butler"  
<chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I used to be able to simply drag and click signs directly into sw  
> board emails from the signpuddle dictionary by highlighting the  
> graphic, right click, copy, and moving it into the email or into a  
> word file.  Am I doing something wrong now?. Others seem to be able  
> to imbed their comments in graphics, as if they are simply  
> alphabetic characters, but I seem to have lost that functionality.
>
> Charles
>
> Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Try this one.  Your comments make a lot of sense, it's a matter of  
> articulation.  All of our tries will get close to the same result.   
> I like something that is crisp and clear.
>
> I think you'd need an a close knuckle at the side of that arrow and  
> then an open one.  This works for me as one is following the tip of  
> the index finger through three movements.  Neat.
>
> Charles
>
> Natasha Escalada-Westland <shash90 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> So then perhaps this movement symbol is more correct?
>
>
> It is used in signs with similar movements such as:
>
>
>
> but with a single movement...
>
> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
> www.westlandasl.com
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> > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:06:02 -0800
> > From: chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
> > Subject: RE: [sw-l] Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENT
> > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >
> > The wrist rotation starts from the top of the hand and
> > goes down and around. I can understand you seeing it
> > going up and forward but the direction of the arrow is
> > still around the outside of the circle not the inside
> > of the circle.
> >
> > If you look at movement as a clock face, you are going
> > clockwise around the circle, not counter-clockwise, so
> > you could mark as I to the center, but not to the
> > left.
> >
> > There are actually two knuckle bends, one to start,
> > and one at the end, so the writing with both hands
> > shown is probably clearer, just not as compact.
> >
> > Charles
> > --- Natasha Escalada-Westland <shash90 at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone for the feedback and discussion! I
> > > understand all the explanations except the wrist
> > > rotation. To me, the symbol that Adam used and
> > > Charles discussed looks as if the wrist rotates down
> > > and back, yet when I sign to myself, the movement
> > > seems up and forward. Do I misunderstand movement
> > > symbol then?Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH),
> > > Macromedia Cert.www.westlandasl.com
> > >
> > > From: icemandeaf at gmail.comTo:
> > > sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.eduSubject: Re: [sw-l]
> > > Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENTDate: Thu, 20 Nov
> > > 2008 13:01:47 -0800CC: shash90 at hotmail.com
> > > If I were to write it as I sign it, which is a lot
> > > like how I can see Natasha is writing it, I would
> > > come up with this for more detailed use:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But I would simplify it even more as this is really
> > > more information then is needed. So something like
> > > this:
> > >
> > >
> > > Although Charles did say that the palm should all be
> > > white as it is in ASLpro and wouldn't disagree with
> > > it if it is written that way because I have seen
> > > people sign it that way, I don't normally end up
> > > that way when I sign it. So half black and white or
> > > white is fine. Up to the writer. ;-)
> > >
> > > The black dot means the knuckle bends in, but the
> > > open dot means the knuckles bend out, so the final
> > > movement is bending open.
> > >
> > > Charles is right that the wrist circle is backwards
> > > as you have it where the wrist circles up, not down
> > > as with the sign.
> > >
> > > I personally don't use the single touch because it
> > > is clear that the finger is touching the head. Also,
> > > the touch symbol does not go between the finger and
> > > the head, but near if you want it there.
> > >
> > > Other than that, my simplified writing (which is
> > > what I would normally use in most cases) match very
> > > closely to you writing. Just a few confusions about
> > > a couple of the symbols, but not bad. :-)
> > >
> > > If you want more help, just let us know. Always
> > > willing to give feedback on writing. :-)
> > >
> > > Adam
> > > On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
> > >
> > > If one knows the sign, this is quite compact and
> > > contains all the information necessary to read
> > > outside to inside to end at the point of contact. I
> > > checked on
> > >
> > > http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi
> > >
> > > to get a video of the sign (they only have Governor)
> > > but that is Govern + person.
> > >
> > > Notes on writing.
> > >
> > > Reading from the inside out.
> > >
> > > 1) Sign ends at point of contact (the palm facing
> > > usually written). At that point, the hand is palm
> > > facing the reader, the index finger as written is
> > > palm down, which is the point of initial movement
> > > not the ending movement.
> > >
> > > 2) The knuckle bend is shown correctly.
> > >
> > > 3) The wrist movement is backward. If one follows
> > > the circle, one's index finger would be going toward
> > > the center which is the opposite of the movement if
> > > one is signing one's own hand. As it is a complete
> > > circular movement, the type of movement is correct,
> > > just the rotation of the arrow needs to be mirrored.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, to fix the writing:
> > >
> > > 1) Reverse the wrist circle (imagine the index
> > > finger circling away from you, which is out from the
> > > center in writing).
> > >
> > > 2) Change the palm facing on the index finger to
> > > palm toward the reader (all white, not half and
> > > half).
> > >
> > > 3) Leave the knuckle bend where it is. The whole
> > > writing is compact and actually quite elegant.
> > >
> > > Charles Butler
> > >
> > >
> > > Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> > > SignWriting ListNovember 20, 2008Hello SW List!This
> > > morning Natasha sent the SW List an email, and I am
> > > not sure why, but the message came through only
> > > through the Digest version of the SW List, but not
> > > into my email box...so just in case, I am re-posting
> > > Natasha's question to the List to be sure you all
> > > got it....I hope the SignWriting teachers on the
> > > List will answer Natasha's question! Thank you
> > > Natasha for this question! Val ;-)PS. I am enjoying
> > > my visit with my sister...thank you, Adam, for
> > > wishing us a happy Thanksgiving and I want to wish a
> > > happy Thanksgiving to you too, and to all who
> > > celebrate the holiday here in the US...Actually
> > > Thanksgiving Day is a week from today, but my sister
> > > came early because she cannot be here on the real
> > > Thanksgiving Day...so we are celebrating
> > > early...smile ;-)-----------------> From: "Natasha
> > > Escalada-Westland" > Date: November 20, 2008 5:19:42
> > > AM PST> To: "SignWriting Listserve" > Subject:
> > > [sw-l] ASL sign for government> Reply-To:
> > > "SignWriting List" >>> Hi All,>> I just wanted some
> > > feedback on this version I wrote of the ASL sign >
> > > for "government".> Thanks!>>>> Natasha
> > > Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.>
> > >
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