translating text in signpuddle

[Honza]

sure there are many signs like that.
I just wonder how to do it in signpuddle.
Probably name signs with both "he gives to me" and "he-give-to-me" otherwise
if you search for "give" in search result you would not see "he-give-to-me".

Honza

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> The problem is that ANY language translation program needs to be done
> "phrase by phrase" and that comes out as lots of hyphens "what's-up" in the
> current version of sign puddle.  "I-give-to-him" is another example.  ASL
> carries direction in a single sign, so every phrase has to be included in a
> comprehensive dictionary.  It will be a challenge for any spoken language to
> any signed language and all translation programs have to build in
> "proximity" rules for phrases.
>
> "I give to him" is not "he gives to me" and sign puddle translation has to
> have both phrases.  It will be a challenge for a long time.
>
> Charles Butler
>
>
> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
>
> sure I know, but it is also how are sings shown. I think it is possible to
> do it that way, it is possible than to translate prhases as well, if they
> are entered to the puddle.
> Right now there is only way - to label more words terms with "-".
> so then I am not able to take advantage of having possibility to enter
> signs that needs to be labeled with more words.
> thanks
>
> Honza
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is with how the sign is entered into the puddle, I think.  If
>> I enter the (single) sign that would be translated "whats up", I would label
>> it as WHAT-UP.  There is no program known that can ACCURATELY translate from
>> one language to another (have you SEEN the results from Babelfish?!)  All
>> the computer can do is substitute the sign WHAT for what, the (English) sigh
>> IS for is, and the sign UP for up.  It can't know that the English 'what is
>> up' translates to a single sign, unless you label the sign that way when you
>> enter it.
>>
>> The preceeding message is from a non-programming computer user.  Your
>> mileage may vary.  ::grin::
>>
>> cherie
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Honza <honza at ruce.cz>
>> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 5:29:42 AM
>> *Subject:* [sw-l] translating text in signpuddle
>>
>> Hi Val,
>>
>> since SignPuddle 1.5 was published I have problems with translating text.
>> Let me explain. Short example. I need to translate "whats up" in longer
>> text.
>> So I write "... what is up ..."
>> But in the SL text appear signs "... WHAT UP .. "
>> but I need it to translate ony with one sign.
>> So I can do it in some ways (like in sign "what's up" add meaning "what"
>> to be shown beside single "what".. or use "-" but that's not what I need.
>>
>>
>> Is there some way how to make clean translation of phrases into one sign
>> (which is already added in to puddle)?
>>
>> thanks
>> Honza
>>
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