translating text in signpuddle

Fri Oct 17 12:31:24 UTC 2008

yes, but it is not possible to do the same in translating, or is?

thanks
Honza

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> In addition, Honza, this function works and lets you search all parameters.
>
> become<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4060,7106&search=come&type=any>
> come<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=840,826,7535,9119,2053,2915,4259,8651,2066,1937&search=come&type=any>
> come here<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7413&search=come&type=any>
> come together<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=353,5174&search=come&type=any>
> come-<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2264&search=come&type=any>
> come-2<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4335&search=come&type=any>
> come-down<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=860&search=come&type=any>
> come-here<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2410,4750&search=come&type=any>
> come-here-boy<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1890&search=come&type=any>
> income<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2500,8743&search=come&type=any>
> light comes on<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=665&search=come&type=any>
> overcome<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3393&search=come&type=any>
> welcome<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1341,2362,4325,785,1604,7347,4507&search=come&type=any>
> welcome (person left)<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2803&search=come&type=any>
> welcome (person right)<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6179&search=come&type=any>
> welcome welcome<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7347&search=come&type=any>
> If you save a sign you try to put every way it could be translated.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> *Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
> Looking up "give" Honza, gives ALL appearances of "give".  It doesn't
> depend on hyphens. It's a text searcher, not looking for blanks or hyphens.
>
> forgive<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4665,5156&search=give&type=any>
> give<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1644,939,8537,8893,9356,3048,2735,317,6995,4356,6603,2747,8801,6602&search=give&type=any>
> Give<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7529,7528&search=give&type=any>
> give (2) you give me<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=820,312&search=give&type=any>
> give (v) I give you<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=821,6096&search=give&type=any>
> give myself baby<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1340&search=give&type=any>
> give up<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9478&search=give&type=any>
> give-back<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6717&search=give&type=any>
> give-cup-to<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1223&search=give&type=any>
> give-cups-to-several-people<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3193&search=give&type=any>
> give-gift<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2997&search=give&type=any>
> give-give<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1756&search=give&type=any>
> give-out<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4267&search=give&type=any>
> give-to<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1798&search=give&type=any>
> give-to-me<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=4339&search=give&type=any>
> give-up<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2075&search=give&type=any>
> gives<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5612&search=give&type=any>
> I give to you<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=6995&search=give&type=any>
> I think the Sign Puddle, for what it does, does a pretty good job.
>
> Try experimenting with the search function as well as particular words.
> Sign Puddle has been working for many years.
>
> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
>
> sure there are many signs like that.
> I just wonder how to do it in signpuddle.
> Probably name signs with both "he gives to me" and "he-give-to-me"
> otherwise if you search for "give" in search result you would not see
> "he-give-to-me".
>
> Honza
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> The problem is that ANY language translation program needs to be done
>> "phrase by phrase" and that comes out as lots of hyphens "what's-up" in the
>> current version of sign puddle.  "I-give-to-him" is another example.  ASL
>> carries direction in a single sign, so every phrase has to be included in a
>> comprehensive dictionary.  It will be a challenge for any spoken language to
>> any signed language and all translation programs have to build in
>> "proximity" rules for phrases.
>>
>> "I give to him" is not "he gives to me" and sign puddle translation has to
>> have both phrases.  It will be a challenge for a long time.
>>
>> Charles Butler
>>
>>
>> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
>>
>> sure I know, but it is also how are sings shown. I think it is possible to
>> do it that way, it is possible than to translate prhases as well, if they
>> are entered to the puddle.
>> Right now there is only way - to label more words terms with "-".
>> so then I am not able to take advantage of having possibility to enter
>> signs that needs to be labeled with more words.
>> thanks
>>
>> Honza
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is with how the sign is entered into the puddle, I think.  If
>>> I enter the (single) sign that would be translated "whats up", I would label
>>> it as WHAT-UP.  There is no program known that can ACCURATELY translate from
>>> one language to another (have you SEEN the results from Babelfish?!)  All
>>> the computer can do is substitute the sign WHAT for what, the (English) sigh
>>> IS for is, and the sign UP for up.  It can't know that the English 'what is
>>> up' translates to a single sign, unless you label the sign that way when you
>>> enter it.
>>>
>>> The preceeding message is from a non-programming computer user.  Your
>>> mileage may vary.  ::grin::
>>>
>>> cherie
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Honza <honza at ruce.cz>
>>> *To:* SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 5:29:42 AM
>>> *Subject:* [sw-l] translating text in signpuddle
>>>
>>> Hi Val,
>>>
>>> since SignPuddle 1.5 was published I have problems with translating text.
>>> Let me explain. Short example. I need to translate "whats up" in longer
>>> text.
>>> So I write "... what is up ..."
>>> But in the SL text appear signs "... WHAT UP .. "
>>> but I need it to translate ony with one sign.
>>> So I can do it in some ways (like in sign "what's up" add meaning "what"
>>> to be shown beside single "what".. or use "-" but that's not what I need.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there some way how to make clean translation of phrases into one sign
>>> (which is already added in to puddle)?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Honza
>>>
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