AW: AW: [sw-l] SignPuddle Online will be down today for maintenance...

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
Thu Sep 18 23:14:09 UTC 2008

Hi Steve and Valerie, 


mh – I have had a second look and did another Search by symbol procedure.
What I can see is that there is quite a number of signs with the correct “L
– mouth”  but quite another number of signs show the “wrong – L – mouth”  -
I have no idea ... perhaps something has to do with the day  - when this new
symbol – tip of tongue between lips was included into the Symbol-Set? 


Stefan ;-)






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[mailto:sw-l-bounces at] Im Auftrag von Steve
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. September 2008 23:16
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Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] SignPuddle Online will be down today for


Hi Stefan,

Not to worry.  We'll figure this out.  As far as I can tell, the conversion
from the IMWA to the ISWA was nearly flawless.

I've saved the pre-conversion SignPuddle 1.5 data based on the IMWA so we
can compare and reconvert if needed.

I've compared the German puddle based on the IMWA and the ISWA and I don't
see any conversion problems other than a slight positioning problem for a
couple of signs.

Can you send me a list of a couple of signs that are incorrect?


Stefan Wöhrmann wrote: 

Hi Valerie, Steve, 


I got a phonecall from a friend who told me that many entries of the German
SignPuddle got in disorder. I had a look at it ---   Remember my email about
this some months ago?? smile – Well – ok – - 


I guess that some great step forward like adding all these wonderfull new
symbols to the ISWA  have some minor disadvantages .like this .. so far as I
could see lots and lots of spelling mistakes occur now because there is a
new order in the facial – tongue – sequence, maybe the thumb-symbol is
affected as well . Since we Germans need these Mundbilder so badly it is
clear that this is a problem.. What is to be done? Do you think we should
take the German Puddle from public use? Is there an option that only people
with a special password can get access – so that we will get the chance to
slowly, slowly repair all these mistakes?


When I looked at the dokuments of the literature puddle – of course these
same problems are to be seen. – hm 


Or do you think that other/more  changes will happen so that in the first
place it would be better to wait and see and breath in and out ... smile 


I am sorry that I have to write this message – but who knows perhaps is
there somehow a different solution to this problem. What I do not know – do
you think that somebody needs these “Mundbilder” isolated from the
head-circle? (I guess this additional option causes the problem) At least I
made some experiments in the past and learned from that that the best way to
read a sequence of different Mundbilder fluently is to write the circle for
the head as well ... as we do ... 


Looking forward to hearing from you 








Von: sw-l-bounces at
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. September 2008 16:32
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: [sw-l] SignPuddle Online will be down today for maintenance...


SignWriting List

September 18, 2008

7:30 am Pacific Time


Dear SW List Members!


SignPuddle Online will be down today, starting in about one hour from
now...because of programming being done on the web site.


Steve is installing the International SignWriting Alphabet 2008 (ISWA 2008)
into the current SignPuddle 1.5, so we can start using the ISWA 2008
immediately, even before the new SignPuddle 2.0 is ready.


Yeah! I can't wait to use the ISWA 2008 ;-))


So do not try to work in SignPuddle today. I will write again to tell you
when you can use SignPuddle again....


I am sooo happy!



Val ;-)



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