Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Mon Sep 29 14:27:42 UTC 2008

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September 29, 2008

Thank you, Cherie, for your excellent explanation...which was
perfect....

Natasha - I believe you understand that the handshapes can rotate in 8
possible rotations now. But there is one misunderstanding I have
height. These rotations have nothing to do with how high or low your
hand is...or how near or far they are, because they represent
"planes"...

These palm facings represent "planes in space"...the classic example
of this is the sign for MY or MINE.

We write the sign for MY or MINE with a white palm touching the chest.
Obviously, if you look down at your hand touching your chest, you see
the overhead view of the side view of the hand, but we do not write it
that way...so it is not just based on what is in your own view, but it
is based instead on planes...essentially there is a "white palm plane"
that is written with a white palm, whether the hand is far or close to
the body...

If the palm is facing the chest, parallel to the Front Wall Plane,
whether it is close to your body or far from your body...it is all on
the same "white palm plane".... Try this...put your hand in the
position of the sign for MY, but far from your body, and then move it
chest...that is all the same plane or palm facing...

Another way to say it is that the sign for MY or MINE "feels like the
white palm" because the white palm is doing the contact...it is the
important meaning to the sign...

So the palm facings are on planes...see attached...take a look at the
white palm in all these positions...all of these could happen...the
white palm means that the hand is parallel to the Front Wall, with the
palm away from the Front Wall, no matter what the height or
depth...see attached...This shows the white palm with the Flat Palm
but it is the same for any white palm symbol, whether it is group 1 or
group 5:

On Sep 29, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Natasha Escalada-Westland wrote:

>
> So the handshape below would pretty much have to occur in the space
> right in front of your face...?  Any lower and it would be written
> as a side-view, no?  Again, thanks everybody for clarification.  It
> helps to know that some shapes may or may not be commonly used.
>
>
>
> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
> Westland Progeny,
> www.westlandprogeny.com
> www.westlandasl.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:52:59 -0700
> From: cwterp at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>
> I think I see the problem...
>
> Picture the hand palm facing you, index finger pointing straight
> up.  Stick an imaginary pin thru your palm into the 'wall', and
> rotate the hand counter-clockwise 90 degrees.   The index finger is
> now pointing to the left, palm is still facing you.  This is the
> second image in your email below.
>
> Now picture the hand palm facing UP, index finger pointing straight
> away from you.  Stick the imaginary pin in the 'floor' and rotate
> counter clockwise 90 degrees.  Your palm should be facing up, your
> index finger pointing to the left.  It hurts my arm to do that.
>
> For 'sometimes'  the palm is most likely facing to the side, half
> black, half white.
>
> cherie
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com>
> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:27:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation
>
> On Sep 28, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Natasha Escalada-Westland wrote:
> Thank you for all your replies!  I really like the animations.  They
> are helpful.  Yet, after reading and looking at everything, I am
> my question is, how are all these symbols different? Matching the
> symbols with whole signs has been very helpful to me in the past.  I
> will try to describe the hand position to confirm if I understand.
>
>  This hand would be palm up, occurring in the lower portion of my
> sign space, the way I might sign "sometimes"
>
>  ?
>
> --------------
>
> Here are some examples of signs that use the Index Finger...see
> attached...
>
>
> <049 Hand-Group1.jpg>
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