fingers bending

Thu Aug 27 17:49:01 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
August 7, 2009

Smile...

Adam...don't worry...we do not have to re-do these photos - you have  
done a great job...

When I was placing these handshapes in the ISWA I remember thinking to  
myself how close they were to each other, and everyone's hands are  
slightly different too...

But the best way to test these, is take the side view of the symbol  
and the photo, and place the symbol "on top of " the photo for one  
minute...does the shape of the fingers match in both the symbol and  
the photo? if not, then maybe later we can adjust them...

meanwhile, I would think you can see the shapes of the symbols  
themselves without the photos anyway...they are different  
curves...when you are writing, choose one or the other and it probably  
won't matter, since they are sooo close, unless you are doing research  
and need to differentiate...

so put the symbol over the photo...

Val ;-)

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On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Honza wrote:

> Hi Val,
>
> now I am not sure again.
> Which handshape is more bended?
> your picture 1 or picture 3?
> it seems to me from side view, that picture 2 is more bended than  
> picture 1
>
> thanks
> Honza.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Valerie  
> Sutton<sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
>> The side view helps a lot! I think they look very clear from the side
>> view...don't you, Honza?
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> ------
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'm a little confused what you are asking. Are you asking  
>>> how the
>>> bends of fingers are different in those three handshapes? I are  
>>> that it can
>>> be hard to tell the difference because they are SO close. I have  
>>> to work on
>>> making sure I knew the difference so that I could make it as clear  
>>> as I
>>> could in the photos. Personally, I think that the side view is  
>>> when the
>>> difference is clearly visible. The other views aren't as clear. I  
>>> have
>>> attached the photos with the side view. Does that help make it  
>>> clear, or am
>>> I misunderstanding the question?
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Honza wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> yes. I asked this because according the symbols it seems that no. 
>>>> 1 is
>>>> relaxed spread cup and 2 is spread fingers bent
>>>> from the middle joint only.
>>>> That's why I asked if photos of handshapes are exact.
>>>> .. just pretending confusing.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> Honza
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Valerie Sutton<sutton at signwriting.org 
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> August 27, 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Honza!
>>>>> Thanks for this message -
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes...Adam is doing an outstanding job with the beautiful photos  
>>>>> of his
>>>>> own
>>>>> hand, and then enlarging the symbols and then creating the  
>>>>> animated
>>>>> GIFs...then I post the animation on the web.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can view them starting on this web page:
>>>>>
>>>>> ISWA Symbol Lessons
>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/
>>>>>
>>>>> At the moment, Adam has completed Groups 1- 5, and is partially  
>>>>> finished
>>>>> with Group 6. I will post five more in Group 6 today.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there is still Groups 7-10 to finish, and then all the  
>>>>> handshapes in
>>>>> the
>>>>> ISWA will be documented. Thank you, Adam, for this important work!
>>>>>
>>>>> The three bent-finger photos that you attached, Honza, do look  
>>>>> similar
>>>>> to
>>>>> each other and it is hard to see the difference, but the symbols  
>>>>> are
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to show the difference between a five hand that has 1) spread  
>>>>> fingers
>>>>> bent
>>>>> from the middle joint only  2) a relaxed spread cup  3) a bent  
>>>>> spread
>>>>> cup...maybe seeing them from the side would help you...
>>>>>
>>>>> Was that your question?
>>>>>
>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Honza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Val,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is great it seems SignWriting Symbol Lessons is done.
>>>>>> but now I am little bit confused about 5 handshape's sybols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> especially this (see attachment).
>>>>>> I just want to be sure that symbols lower are more bent as photos
>>>>>> shows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> Honza
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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