faces vertical or horizontal and facial expressions that 'hold'

Sun Dec 6 13:10:25 UTC 2009

I have to agree with this 'timing' statement on horizontal vs. vertical for faces and spellings. I tend to write fingerspelling horizonatlly simply because it looks more that way than vertical when I watch a live signer. 

A related issue is how to represent a facial expression that encompasses several signs.  Of course, it can be written over each sign separately, but it seems a waste of time and a partial misrepresentation, almost as if the facial expression stops and starts.  I think I have asked this question before but can't recall the answer.  It seems like it would be useful to have some sort of punctuation or symbol that shows a portion of the signing 'holds' while other parts move on, like a bracket of some kind.  Is there such a thing that I haven't learned about yet?

Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Certified Interpreter - NIC

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:25:32 -0800
From: cwterp at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [sw-l]faces vertical or horizontal.
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu

I remember some discussions of this when I was writing Cat in the Hat.  Some faces I wrote vertically, because certain points of the face had to match certain points in the signing, but sometimes it was mouthing that went with the sign, and I wrote that horizontally.  It was a timing issue, mostly, If I recall correctly.  Like the vertical spelling of Charles someone recently wrote in...  the timing of the head nod has to match the timing of the spelling just so.  I'll have to see if I can find that conversation again.  To me, horizontal feels like 'all at once'  and vertical feels sequential.

cherie
Georgia School for the Deaf

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December 3, 2009

Hello Everyone!
I have not been following this conversation completely, I do apologize for that....We have had an increase in book orders, and I have been fulfilling those orders, sending books on SignWriting around the world...very nice to have more orders right before Christmas...

Regarding the direction of writing in SignWriting...everyone is welcome to write as it seems best for them...We all have our reasons to write one direction or the other, and all directions of writing signs, is better than no writing of signs...so I suggest that we write as it seems best to us, and over time, standards will develop...

And yes, Stefan, your documents and dictionaries are amazing! Thank you for all the writing you are doing in SignPuddle. Your dictionary has over 10,000 signs!!

German SignPuddles
http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index.html#sgn-DE

And thank you, Andre, for the documents and dictionaries from French Canada...I can see you have added a lot since I last looked:

French-Canadian SignPuddles
http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index1.html#sgn-CA-fr

It is exciting to see how much is being accomplished everyday in SignPuddle...people are adding thousands of signs in many countries...

Regarding rules of writing...people informed me that they did not want rules, so that is ok...no need to change the way you all are writing...

So I am just writing my particular style and trying to explain the rules that guide my own personal writing, and then others can choose what they feel is best...

Because I write vertically with lanes, i also write fingerspelling vertically. When it comes to writing multiple facial expressions, that is an interesting question...sometimes I write them horiztonally and sometimes vertically...but now I will really think about this and see what feels natural next time I write a document...

So thank you, to everyone, for your input and I plan to read more of your messages later this month, as soon as the Christmas rush has died down...I hope you are enjoying your December...

Val ;-)

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On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
> HI André
> I do not understand your idea. Your attached documents –hmm what is this? This does not make sense!    There are so many well written SW-documents in the German SignPuddle if you are interested to read German Sign Language written in GebaerdenSchrift.  Your documents do not show GebaerdenSchrift. ..hm....So many other projects on my todo list. I have to focus on other things ...
>  Stefan ;-)

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On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:

> Hallo Stefan and everyone,
> 
>    Who is the reader?
> 
>    I assume that the reader reads and writes a SW in vertical coloumns because Val already mentioned that Deaf people requested writing in vertical coloumns.
> 
>    What are spelling standards and spelling rule violations?
> 
>    Stefan, You have a good question.
> 
>    You will see the attached "read horizontally" and "read vertically" for fingerspelling names and compound signs.  In addition, you will see the attached "horizontal Gebradeschreft" and "vertical Gebradeschrefts" for a speech.
> 
>    Sw-list friends, What do you think about spelling standards and rule violations?
> 
>    Best regards,
> 
>    André

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