PocketPuddle vs the SignPuddle Reader
Valerie Sutton
sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Sun Jul 26 20:06:27 UTC 2009
SignWriting List
July 26, 2009
Hello Sharon and Steve -
Thank you, Steve, for explaining about the SignPuddle Reader, which is
a cool program that will make it possible for people to download
literature that is already written in SignPuddle and read it on
different kinds of devices, from computer desktops to handheld devices
such as the iPhone...Adam Frost showed me SignPuddle Reader on his
iPhone, and it looked so beautiful...a little like the Amazon Kindle
reading device...a way to read SignWriting literature without having
to print it out.
And Sharon - yes - I certainly do know that you have already paid for
your PersonalPuddle or PocketPuddle...both are the same software, just
one is on a USB stick, and the other is software that you run on your
computer with either a download or install it through a CD...either
way, you have paid for it in advance and we know that...anytime you
need me to refund your money it is really easy for me to do
that...PayPal has the most wonderful way to do that now that is easy
for all of us...or you can just wait until Steve is ready in about a
month or so....
Meanwhile, Steve is the one that carries all the stress on his
shoulders, trying to please us all...So THANK YOU Steve, for
developing these cool new software programs, which we all love so
much...
Have a wonderful Sunday everyone, and thanks again for writing and for
your interest...
Val ;-)
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On Jul 26, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
> Hi Sharon,
>
> Both products will be available to help raise money for Val's non-
> profit. Both will be able to synchronize with SignPuddle Online.
>
> The SignPuddle Reader will be for offline reading of documents
> without an internet connection. The SignPuddle Reader will not be
> able to edit or create new documents.
>
> The PocketPuddle runs the same software as SignPuddle Online. It
> can edit or create new entries just as SignPuddle Online.
>
> Regards,
> -Steve
>
> Sharon Collier wrote:
>>
>> Hello Steve,
>>
>> I am curious...What is the difference between the PocketPuddle and
>> the SignPuddle reader? Thanks!
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:31:14 -0400
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>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:51:23 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Pocket Puddles
>>
>> Hoi,
>> I have started to experiment with "twitter".. I tweeted that the
>> MediaWiki plugin will be later because of the presentation to
>> Wikimania not being considered.. Do you have a timetable for that
>> Steve ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gerard
>>
>> 2009/7/25 Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net>
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>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>>
>>
>> The PocketPuddles are on my list. Currently, I'm finishing up the
>> new
>> SignText. Then I'll be updating SignPuddle Online and the
>> PocketPuddle
>> to use BSW and the new SignMaker and SignText. Then I have the
>> MediaWiki Plugin and the SignPuddle Reader to finish.
>>
>>
>>
>> So the PocketPuddles could be ready maybe in September. Wish I was
>> better at estimates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Jones wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering when is the new pocket puddle going to be available?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Stephen
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>> Thanks for keeping us posted about the new software. Remember, I am
>> still in line for a PocketPuddle. :-)
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>> Sharon
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:28:27 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Pocket Puddles
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>> SignWriting List
>> July 25, 2009
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Stephen Jones wrote:
>> > I was wondering when is the new pocket puddle going to be
>> available?
>> > ~Stephen
>>
>> Hi Stephen, Steve and everyone -
>>
>> Of course Steve can best answer this...
>>
>> But it is my understanding that Steve is working on upgrading
>> SignPuddle Online, the PocketPuddle, and the PersonalPuddle to all
>> work with the new SignWriting Image Server (SWIS) and a new version
>> of
>> SignText...
>>
>> The goal is to be ready by the end of August, since there are others
>> who need the PocketPuddle by September 1st, so that is our goal...but
>> there is a busy month ahead...
>>
>> Val ;-)
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>> From: slevin at signpuddle.net
>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:32:30 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Pocket Puddles
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>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>>
>>
>> The PocketPuddles are on my list. Currently, I'm finishing up the
>> new
>> SignText. Then I'll be updating SignPuddle Online and the
>> PocketPuddle
>> to use BSW and the new SignMaker and SignText. Then I have the
>> MediaWiki Plugin and the SignPuddle Reader to finish.
>>
>>
>>
>> So the PocketPuddles could be ready maybe in September. Wish I was
>> better at estimates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Jones wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering when is the new pocket puddle going to be available?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:38:13 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Pocket Puddles
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>> Hi,
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>> No problem. Thanks for the quick reply. I look forward to all the
>> updates! Thanks for all your hard work!
>>
>> ~Stephen
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net
>> > wrote:
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>>
>>
>> The PocketPuddles are on my list. Currently, I'm finishing up the
>> new
>> SignText. Then I'll be updating SignPuddle Online and the
>> PocketPuddle
>> to use BSW and the new SignMaker and SignText. Then I have the
>> MediaWiki Plugin and the SignPuddle Reader to finish.
>>
>>
>>
>> So the PocketPuddles could be ready maybe in September. Wish I was
>> better at estimates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Jones wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering when is the new pocket puddle going to be available?
>>
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>>
>> ~Stephen
>>
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:55:03 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] SignPuddle Brackets
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>> I'd love to be involved with the SW shorthand as
>> well; I have seen references to it on the site but I'd love to
>> learn more about
>> how it works and help with the updates...
>>
>> KJ
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From:
>> Stephen Jones
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>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:53
>> PM
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>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] SignPuddle
>> Brackets
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I understand how you are doing brackets if needed
>> now. Thanks for the tip!
>>
>> I would be very interested in the shorthand
>> system and even working with you to update it if you have the time
>> and want
>> someone else to help with it.
>>
>> Both my wife and I are doing this project
>> for Grad school, but we also use SignWriting in our work as
>> interpreters. We
>> have even taught an in house training for other interpreters
>> interested in
>> writing Sign Languages.
>>
>> ~Stephen
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org
>> >
>> wrote:
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>> SignWriting List
>> July 23, 2009
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>> Hi Stephen
>> -
>> Thanks for this message...
>>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Stephen Jones wrote:
>>
>> I
>> have not been able to transfer everything we are getting to
>> SignPuddle
>> yet. We do what are called elicitation sessions and have to write
>> what we
>> elicit into a Data Notebook by hand during the session with the
>> Language
>> Consultant. It is a requirement of the class to write it at the
>> time we
>> "hear" it. So, I currently have not put sentences into sign puddle,
>> but
>> they are all in my Data Note Book for Paraguay
>> Signs.
>>
>> What an interesting project! So you are
>> writing SignWriting by hand then...As you know, years ago, in the
>> 1980's we
>> had a success with using our old SignWriting Shorthand system for
>> classroom
>> notetaking in ASL, at CSUN for a Deaf student and it was an
>> exciting time,
>> with new ideas being applied to real classroom settings....writing
>> sign
>> language at speed of signing, and then re-writing the notes taken so
>> quickly, into more formal SignWriting for the student to be able to
>> read at
>> home...then SignWriting evolved into expressive and vertical
>> writing and the
>> Shorthand fell out of date, and it still has to be updated to match
>> the way
>> we write today, but I am confident that we can someday start using
>> the
>> Shorthand again as a form of daily personal handwriting, that might
>> be
>> useful for your kind of work...
>>
>> For those on the List that are new to
>> all this, there is a section on SignWriting Handwriting and
>> Shorthand on the
>> web, in the lessons section:
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I
>> am also teaching Sign Language Phonetics and this is where I was
>> trying to
>> get the brackets. What I do is make the sentences in Sign Text then
>> e-mail
>> them to myself without saving, because the sentences are from
>> videos of
>> Thai sign, African sign, Spanish sign, etc. I also rely on the load
>> signs
>> into sign text after e-mailing heavily if I need to change
>> something. I
>> did not want to save all these in the ASL Puddle, so I just have
>> not been
>> saving them. I also use Sign Puddle to make the dictation tests,
>> which
>> just has about 7 random signs from various languages, so it is not
>> really
>> a story or necessarily ASL and thus I do not save
>> them.
>>
>>
>>
>> In
>> short I was trying to do the brackets in Sign
>> Text.
>>
>>
>> Wow. Well, first I am glad to know you
>> are so skilled with computers and SignPuddle software...and that
>> you know
>> SignText! Your work sounds fascinating ;-)
>>
>> Regarding the use of
>> brackets, they do well in horizontal writing...that is where they
>> really
>> originated. Then when we started writing vertically, they posed a
>> bit of a
>> problem, but if we were doing a graphics file, like the attached
>> one, where
>> I literally went into Photoshop and added the bracket in grey, then
>> obviously we could use the brackets going down in vertical
>> columns...but
>> that was not using SignText.... (continued next
>> message)...
>>
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