Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software

Sat Jun 6 14:56:24 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
June 5, 2009

Hello Kelly Jo!
Thank you for this message. It is always great to hear from you...It  
would be amazing to have a flexible keyboard, I agree...

And by the way, when Adam was working with me here in San Diego at the  
end of May, he showed me his iPhone with SignWriting clearly displayed  
beautifully on its tiny screen...it was such an amazing experience to  
see the SignPuddle Reader and other web pages on the iPhone...but even  
more amazing to realize how far we have come from a technology  
perspective...I am grateful for SignPuddle, which has helped us spread  
SignWriting on the internet, and on these tiny handheld devices...

I am also becoming painfully aware of how behind I am with all the new  
technology...there was a time, when the internet was new for the  
general public, when I was sort of "jumping ahead" with technology and  
eagerly learning about new devices...that was back in the 1990s...but  
then I got used to my computer as I knew it, and I have not been  
keeping up with cell phones and handhelds...and blogging and FaceBook  
etc...

I also have never visited Twitter, nor have I ever received a  
Tweet...smile...everyone is talking about Twitter and Tweets here, and  
I decided that today I am going to learn about it...smile...

Twitter
http://twitter.com/

Are any of you on Twitter?

Val ;-)

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On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:21 PM, KJ wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to being able to keyboard SW - and I love  
> the idea of a flexible keyboard.  I'm not a programmer so I can't  
> speak to how hard it would be, but I hope some flexibility could be  
> built into it.
> KJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Butler
> To: SignWriting List
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software
>
> I go back to the days of programmable macros for Lotus 1-2-3 and  
> with a lot of preliminary thought on how it could be set up, a  
> programmable macro would work for any particular language.  A  
> flexible keyboard would be a challenge, but could be made using that  
> principal, but would really have to be designed by a group of people  
> working in that language.  Changing it on the fly constantly makes  
> for a programming nightmare.
>
> Charles
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt> wrote:
>
> From: MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Cc: "Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa" <rocha at atlas.ucpel.tche.br>
> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:23 AM
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Having a keyboard would be great. I remember using it MSDos. However  
> what
> are the possibilties of having a keyboard where you could choose the
> symbols you need at hand. Where the user could assign keys depending  
> on
> what he needs. Since different sign languages use different symbols  
> (have
> different signwriting alphabets), every language, after identifying  
> the
> most important symbols used, would be free to assign keys on the  
> keyboard
> depending on the frequency of use. For e.g if in LSM I have not yet
> encounterd a sign with a handshape from Group 7: Ring Finger,  
> therefore I
> would not need it on my keyboard and could leave this group out, and  
> if
> say in Group 5, LSM only uses 7 handshapes in all - then all the  
> others
> need not be assigned to the keyboard. And the same could be done for  
> every
> sign language.
>
> Of course, I have absolutely no idea whether this can actually be  
> done in
> technical terms. It's just an idea.
>
> Maria
>
>
> > SignWriting List
> > June 3, 2009
> >
> > Wow -
> > This is a good plan below, Steve -
> >
> > SignWriter Java, SignWriter Tiger, SignWriter Python and SWEdit  
> (from
> > Brazil) all had promise and if we could revive and improve them,  
> that
> > would be an amazing development...and to make keyboarding possible  
> for
> > the ISWA 2008 in SignPuddle would be great as well...
> >
> > Meanwhile the drag and drop method works well and is easy to learn  
> for
> > most people...so I hope we can keep that as well...
> >
> > SW Edit is still downloaded on the internet and used, so if that  
> could
> > someday be coordinated with SignPuddle that would be used more...we
> > will need permission from the developers in Brazil...if we could
> > install the ISWA 2008 into SWEdit that would help as well...
> >
> > The idea of revamping all the SignWriter programs into one
> > consolidated SignWriter, possibly in Python, sounds good to me...  
> The
> > old SignWriter Java program was so close, but it could never print,
> > and then time has gone by and now the symbolset is out of date...and
> > SignWriter Tiger by Daniel Noelpp Ly, is still on the web, and the
> > source code is available for download...It too was a beautiful  
> program
> > that had great promise:
> >
> > http://www.signwriter.org/
> > http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
> > -------------
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andre,
> >>
> >> If not for time and money, we could have a keyboarding application
> >> right now.  The SignWriter keyboard design was updated to the IMWA
> >> but never implemented.   Other than time, it would be trivial to
> >> update the keyboarding specs for the ISWA 2008..
> >>
> >> After I finalize the first version of the open standards of
> >> SignWriting, SignWriter should be rewritten with the new symbol set
> >> and data model.  Maybe we can start with SignWriter Java or
> >> SignWriter Python, but I'm thinking that we'll have to start over.
> >> Perhaps someone could update SW Edit?  I heard it had promise.
> >>
> >> The new SignText will not initially use the SignWriter keyboard
> >> layout, but a layout inspired by the VI editor.  However, I'm  
> hoping
> >> that SignPuddle will use a SignWriter style keyboard well before  
> 2012.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -Steve
> >>
> >> Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Steve and everyone,
> >>>
> >>>       Steve, I am just curious. Are you going to use (or  
> develop) a
> >>> keyboard computer from SignPuddle for ISWA 2012?
> >>>
> >>>       Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>       André
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Steve Slevinski
> >>> To: SignWriting List
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] RE: Handshapes and systematic discussion
> >>>
> >>> Hi Charles,
> >>>
> >>> Charles Butler wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> As we start getting photographs being laid side by side with the
> >>>> graphics that have been created, I think we are going to come  
> to a
> >>>> MUCH BETTER consensus discussion and if that means that the ISWA
> >>>> has to be edited, then so much the better.  All of us can be
> >>>> consulted and come to a happy decision.
> >>>>
> >>> If you want to start making notes for the ISWA 2012, please go
> >>> ahead.  Valerie and Adam are documenting the ISWA 2008 so you'll  
> be
> >>> getting more and more information to work with.
> >>>
> >>> The ISWA 2008 will not be changing.  I highly doubt the ISWA will
> >>> be revisited in the near future.  We have limited time and
> >>> resources and we are moving forward.  Your attitude reinforces the
> >>> idea that we are not ready for Unicode yet unless people accept  
> the
> >>> idea that no writing system is perfect and that knowledge can be
> >>> gained by understanding the imperfections.
> >>>
> >>> The ISWA 2008 was a labor of love.  We already had a formal review
> >>> and that review ended last year.  The ISWA 2008 is the current
> >>> standard for SignWriting.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> -Steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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