movement in LIQUID

Mon Mar 9 15:36:00 UTC 2009

No problem Valerie, thank you.

I've been following the discussions about LIQUID - very interesting - and
from these discussions, I've learnt a few things about how to spell
similar signs in LSM such as WAVES, SEA etc. I liked the way Adam spelt
LIQUID with the wrists moving up and down - the symbol used is a perfect
spelling for a number of signs in LSM, and I never realised it was that
symbol that we needed.

Thanks for all the discussions.

Maria

> SignWriting List
> March 9, 2009
>
> Hello Charles and Everyone -
> Many thanks for this message. And thank you for offering to do another
> video from the side perspective, but actually I would prefer to just
> write from the two videos that we already have...
>
> The purpose of this List, from my perspective anyway, is to use
> Movement Writing as the basis for finding accurate but simple ways of
> writing signs for daily use...In other words, it is fine that we write
> with a great deal of detail in the beginning when we are trying to
> figure out hard signs like this one, but later, the whole point is, to
> move into the daily world of writing sign languages, and so the signs
> will become "simpler" with less detail, so it is not so cumbersome to
> write for daily use...
>
> So the Movement Writing analysis is important, but seeing it from the
> side is not what most everyday signers experience...
>
> One point though, that I would like to make...the two videos, one of
> Cherie and one of Adam, although they certainly are similar signs and
> at first glance seem to be the same...technically...from a Movement
> Writing point of view...are slightly different movements...If you
> write on top of the captured frames from each video, which is the way
> I do Movement Writing, you find that Cherie's movement is slightly
> larger and the hands start to the left and finish in the center...but
> Adam's appears to be more center all the time in a true circle...As
> Adam said, Cherie's movement really did wave to the side more...
>
> So the way to analyze these signs from the Movement Writing point of
> view, is to:
>
> 1. capture the frames from the video in photos in a sequence
> 2. write on top of the photos
> 3. then apply the SignSpelling Guidelines specific to SignWriting (not
> DanceWriting or SportsWriting, that would choose different details to
> write)...
>
> What are the SignSpelling Guidelines? Good question...I am writing
> them up in a new textbook...Generally you all know them...
>
> And as far as "proof" that we can write anything...I already know we
> can write anything if we put our minds to it...it is just a matter of
> time to find what most people can understand...of course videos vary
> and styles of signing vary, so nothing is ever exactly as everyone
> signs it....
>
> Maria...I will answer your message next about DocumentMaker...sorry
> for the delay...
>
> Val ;-)
>
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>
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
>> I like the ideas being posted about stop action to show the various
>> points as an exercise.  We have three hand positions, at least four
>> wrist flexes, and repeated movement as an examination of the ability
>> of Movement Writing to show anything.
>>
>> Now if we can do this from the side, we just need to figure out a
>> way to show it moving away from the body forward, sort of like an
>> ocean wave where the elbows move up and down the waves roll and the
>> whole thing moves forward.  I wish I had a video to show you.
>>
>> Charles Butler
>>
>>
>> From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
>> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:26:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID
>>
>> The movement doesn't feel right, the circle is probably the closest
>> smooth curve for the center of the hands.  I think we are all going
>> to discuss this for a while.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> From: Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 1:42:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> March 8, 2009
>>
>> Good Morning from sunny California!
>>
>> I am just longing to finish discussing this fascinating movement
>> that we started to discuss yesterday. Please know that every writing
>> will be looked at, and discussed later, so everyone's input is
>> important to all of us...
>>
>> While I am doing other work, I am thinking about this fascinating
>> movement ;-)
>>
>> What seems to me, at least, is that there is both wrist movement and
>> arm movement, and that there is a feeling of a circle, and a feeling
>> of a wave, and a feeling of up and down of the wrists and arms. All
>> of your writings are trying to capture some of those feelings, and
>> it is hard to capture all of the feelings in one writing...thus we
>> keep trying!
>>
>> Here is one more attempt on my part to show you possible "waves
>> combined with curves", or possibly a "wave inside a circle", written
>> with a wavy motion symbol combined with the simple curve that brings
>> the hands back to the beginning again...Just look at the movement
>> symbols in this attachment...do either of these movement
>> combinations feel good to any of you?
>>
>> So this attached is not a finished writing at all...it is just my
>> attempt to show you perhaps a wave and a curve combination...
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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