AW: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID

Mon Mar 9 23:32:12 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
March 9, 2009

Hello Stefan!
Thanks for this message...

Ha! So you like this really detailed traveling one? ;-))

It helps a lot to write signs that are hard, in a very detailed way in  
the beginning, and then later simplify them...In our fast culture here  
in the US, most people would think this writing is too detailed...but  
it helped me to write it...

Of course reading foreign signs definitely needs more detail...

I will answer your other question next message...Val ;-)

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On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Stefan W?hrmann wrote:

> Hi Valerie and friends,
>
> well - if I should vote for any spelling I have seen so far I would  
> prefer your Picture #6 - smile -
>
> From the readers point of view it provides as much information as  
> needed - so I would not want to miss any hands ... and it is not too  
> much detail-writing! The challenge is to present a spelling that  
> allows the competent reader to understand the idea of the scribe ...
>
> And I agree Charles ? once a sign is explained as a representation  
> of a now well known performance you would accept any simplification  
> -  but that might be the point ? I would prefer a spelling that  
> would not end up in a guessing game. Movement Writing should allow  
> us to describe the given performance as accurate as possible.
>
> In addition to that - I am wondering - just in case you do not want  
> to move your hands to the right side but just let them do this wave  
> once and again -   is there a chance to add any symbol that would  
> say - "no travelling" - but move your hands as a unit along this  
> path but stay in place?
>
> Thank you very much for this lesson!
>
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SignWriting [mailto:signwriting at mac.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 04:30
> An: SignWriting List
> Cc: Stefan Woehrmann
> Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID
>
> SignWriting List
> March 8, 2009
>
> On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Stefan W?hrmann wrote:
> > What I am interested in is to proof that MovementWriting allows us  
> to
> > describe even this kind of complex movement - and if so I would not
> > mind to look at a sequence of 4 or 8 signs that will indicate the
> > different "stills"
> > that can be seen during the whole movement.
>
> Hello Stefan!
> I would feel very honored, if you would apply your Movement Writing  
> skills, or your SignWriting skills, to writing this movement for us,  
> from your perspective. How would you write this movement, based on  
> the frames you see in these photos? (see attached below)
>
> I know you are very busy teaching, but when you have time it would  
> be wonderful to see your writing, not because we need to prove  
> anything to anyone, but because it will be good for the writing  
> system to get your input...I think all of the attempts so far, have  
> highlighted different aspects of the movement, but no one decision  
> or final writing has been established so far, and I think that is  
> good, to keep discussing it from different perspectives. One thing  
> that I have learned over 35 years is that people look at the same  
> movement and see different things, and choose to write different  
> things, so "writing what you see" and also "writing what you feel  
> intuitively" is as complex as the human brain is...
>
> The reason that SignWriting and Movement Writing have been used these
> 35 years is because we have remained flexible and open to these  
> kinds of discussions and new ideas...that is how SignWriting slowly  
> went from Receptive to Expressive, and from horizontal to vertical,  
> and so many other developments that happened one by one, step by  
> step, through contact with writers and an openness to suggestions...
>
> And the goals of SignWriting and Movement Writing are somewhat  
> different...In SignWriting, it is my hope anyway, that we can find a  
> way to write sign languages on a daily basis that is detailed enough  
> to make it possible to read every sign, but simple enough to make  
> reading fun and easy...that is a hard balance to find, where  
> Movement Writing, which is mostly for research, can be very very  
> detailed...but that is also why it is not used on a daily basis...
>
> So if you wish to write it from a Movement Writing perspective, or a  
> SignWriting perspective...both are very welcome and will give us  
> much to discuss and think about!
>
> Many thanks for your nice message -
>
> See attached...
>
>
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