spelling repeated movement

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March 29, 2009

Yes, I can imagine it seems strange that someone might think that one  
arrow stem line with three arrowheads would mean one long movement and  
two short at the end, but they did...This happened twice to me, when  
students were reading documents "out loud"...that is why we went back  
to the multiple arrows rather than the stacked arrowheads...the  
multiple arrows were read with more accuracy it seemed...

Of course this was not exactly a scientific test ;-))

People think differently though...

So even without any stem line added to the second and third  
arrowheads, they can be misread as "two short movements following the  
first longer movement"...

That is why stacking the arrowheads partially on top of each other was  
an attempt to make it clear it was one movement that had to go back to  
the beginning of the stem line to do the movement in its entirety  
three times...the squished and stacked arrowheads become a cluster  
that almost look like a different symbol in its own right...with the  
proper definition for that, maybe it would be read with more  
accuracy...who knows? ;-))

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On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Adam Frost wrote:

> I have thought about this before, and when Val mentioned that some  
> people have misread it I was a little confused how. After some  
> thinking about it, I can see how it could be misread. But I have  
> also seen people misread the arrows separated as well. As far as the  
> arrowheads being next verses overlapping, I don't really see that  
> much of a difference except that it is a little more compact. With  
> having the extra arrowheads, it makes the arrow seem larger though.  
> Just some musing about it. :-)
>
> Adam
>
> On Mar 29, 2009, at 7:45 AM, SignWriting wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> March 29, 2009
>>
>> Hello Stefan! and everyone...
>> Thank you for this message, and wow! it is so impressive to see how  
>> many signs you have added to the German SignPuddle Dictionary:
>>
>> German Sign Language Dictionary in SignPuddle
>> http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/index.php?ui=8&sgn=53
>>
>> I see there are 8510 entries in your dictionary! You have been  
>> working hard! Congratulations...
>>
>> Your question is a good one and has actually been discussed before  
>> here on the List. Years ago...back in the 1980's, we tried this  
>> idea of the repeated arrowheads and writing that way is fine and I  
>> love it...but...people did not always read it the way I  
>> expected...so let me try to explain how some people would do that  
>> motion...
>>
>> Instead of going back to the beginning of the first arrow three  
>> times, they would do the first movement, and then they would move a  
>> tiny bit more forward the second time, and a tiny bit more forward  
>> again the third time...They would never return to the beginning  
>> position each time...I was disappointed myself to see how that was  
>> read...so I learned something from that...the three arrowheads have  
>> to become like "one symbol" literally written on top of each other  
>> like this...see my example attached...I put this in your German  
>> SignPuddle dictionary under "test Val"...which you are welcome to  
>> delete! here it is:
>>
>>
>> <Stefan-Arrows.png>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Stefan W?hrmann wrote:
>>> Hi Valerie, sw-list members -
>>> today I thought about a second way to indicate that the same  
>>> movement is performed two or three times. Just adding another  
>>> arrowhead should be enough ? what do you think? Would you read  
>>> both spellings as the same? Sometimes this option ? if possible ?  
>>> would allow to write the sign not so complex.
>>> water supply  (Wasserzulauf)
>>
>>
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