AW: AW: AW: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction

Sun May 31 22:51:58 UTC 2009

Hi Adam and Everyone, 

yes - I understand what you are talking about - well on the other side - I
studied other handshapes - obviously we get a feeling - or we use this
special dot-thumb (smile)- for other sw-lister it should be fun to read all
these handshapes-

Stefan ;-)

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Juni 2009 00:02
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction

The only thing is that the way you have the thumb written, it could be  
taken as either a thumb to the side or as a thumb forward. That's  
where the confusion comes in. It would look too close to the same  
thing if we were to write it with the thumb forward as well. This is  
why writing just what you see can get you in these predicaments.

Adam

On May 31, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> Hi Valerie, Adam, and Everyone,
>
> -hm - here is what came to my mind. I sat down and created this  
> symbol for
> the "Namibia" hand shape ...  it follows very much the simple  
> principle
> "Just write what you see" .. smile
>
> What do you think?
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von  
> Valerie Sutton
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 18:18
> An: SignWriting List
> Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction
>
> SignWriting List
> May 31, 2009
>
> Good morning, Adam and Stefan and Charles! ;-))
>
> Thank you, by the way, Charles, for your good suggestion earlier...
>
> And thank you, Adam, for preparing a lesson!
>
> yes...I will give my feedback too ;-))
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ---------
>
> On May 31, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
>> Oh Stefan,
>>
>> It is funny that you bring this up because Val and I were discussing
>> this very issue the other day. As we were talking about it, we found
>> a general situation that causes issues. Val and I realize that the
>> reason this is a confusing area is because it has never been
>> explained before. Partly because we didn't realize that it causes
>> problems. It wasn't until I was placing the symbols next to photos
>> that we saw it. ;-)
>>
>> My guess is Val is doing the same at this moment, but I will go
>> ahead and create a lesson explaining this situation since it helps
>> to have things taught in two different ways in case one way doesn't
>> explain enough. So look for my lesson in the next message. :-)
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On May 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann
> <stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.de
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Valerie and Everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all - thank you so much for your kind support ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously this SW-symbol for the “Namibia” - handshape seems to be
>>> another one that is hard for me to understand. What is the reason
>>> for that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just thought of these pictures ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible that some handshape – symbols are difficult to
>>> understand for me because I cannot identify YOUR way to look at the
>>> hand? Smile -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can look at them in a different way – smile.
>>>
>>> – a joung lady or an old lady?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nevertheless I would love to understand your explanation –
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I prepared two graphics – coming next message
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stefan ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> ] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 15:58
>>> An: SignWriting List
>>> Cc: Stefan Wöhrmann
>>> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>>
>>> May 31, 2009
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Stefan and Everyone!
>>>
>>> Thank you for this question. And your photos and writings are always
>>>
>>> so beautiful! Congrats on all you are doing, Stefan....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding the handshape in SignWriting...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The photo of your hand is different than the writing of the  
>>> handshape
>>>
>>> you are showing in the SignWriting example you have attached...The
>>>
>>> thumb is to the side in your photo...not forward...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So basing it on the photo with the thumb to the side, we have that
>>>
>>> handshape already in the ISWA....I know you will be creating  
>>> TrueType
>>>
>>> fonts, and that is great...but I am happy it is in the ISWA too,  
>>> so I
>>>
>>> can show you what I mean...please see my attached screen
>>> capture...the
>>>
>>> handshape is in Group 9...the thumb to the side needs the thumb line
>>>
>>> on the other side of the rectangle base from the index finger,
>>> because
>>>
>>> when the thumb line is on the same side as the bent Index finger,
>>> that
>>>
>>> would show that the thumb and the index finger are relating to each
>>>
>>> other and it means that the thumb line is forward pointing in the
>>> same
>>>
>>> direction as the Index finger...So if you want the thumb to look  
>>> like
>>>
>>> it is pointing in another direction other than the index finger, you
>>>
>>> need the thumb line on the other side of the rectangle base of the
>>>
>>> hand...please see my attached diagram:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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