AW: AW: AW: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction

Sun May 31 23:10:36 UTC 2009

Funny you should mention the dots. I was wondering about that one if  
it would work here. Only a few times will it work, and often it brings  
even more issues and limitations. *Sigh* We seem to never win here. Ha!

Adam

On May 31, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.d 
e> wrote:

> Hi Adam and Everyone,
>
> yes - I understand what you are talking about - well on the other  
> side - I
> studied other handshapes - obviously we get a feeling - or we use this
> special dot-thumb (smile)- for other sw-lister it should be fun to  
> read all
> these handshapes-
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Adam  
> Frost
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Juni 2009 00:02
> An: SignWriting List
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction
>
> The only thing is that the way you have the thumb written, it could be
> taken as either a thumb to the side or as a thumb forward. That's
> where the confusion comes in. It would look too close to the same
> thing if we were to write it with the thumb forward as well. This is
> why writing just what you see can get you in these predicaments.
>
> Adam
>
> On May 31, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Valerie, Adam, and Everyone,
>>
>> -hm - here is what came to my mind. I sat down and created this
>> symbol for
>> the "Namibia" hand shape ...  it follows very much the simple
>> principle
>> "Just write what you see" .. smile
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Stefan ;-)
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von
>> Valerie Sutton
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 18:18
>> An: SignWriting List
>> Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> May 31, 2009
>>
>> Good morning, Adam and Stefan and Charles! ;-))
>>
>> Thank you, by the way, Charles, for your good suggestion earlier...
>>
>> And thank you, Adam, for preparing a lesson!
>>
>> yes...I will give my feedback too ;-))
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> On May 31, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Stefan,
>>>
>>> It is funny that you bring this up because Val and I were discussing
>>> this very issue the other day. As we were talking about it, we found
>>> a general situation that causes issues. Val and I realize that the
>>> reason this is a confusing area is because it has never been
>>> explained before. Partly because we didn't realize that it causes
>>> problems. It wasn't until I was placing the symbols next to photos
>>> that we saw it. ;-)
>>>
>>> My guess is Val is doing the same at this moment, but I will go
>>> ahead and create a lesson explaining this situation since it helps
>>> to have things taught in two different ways in case one way doesn't
>>> explain enough. So look for my lesson in the next message. :-)
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann
>> <stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.de
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Valerie and Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First of all - thank you so much for your kind support ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obviously this SW-symbol for the “Namibia” - handshape seems  
>>>> to be
>>>> another one that is hard for me to understand. What is the reason
>>>> for that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just thought of these pictures ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible that some handshape – symbols are difficult to
>>>> understand for me because I cannot identify YOUR way to look at the
>>>> hand? Smile -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can look at them in a different way – smile.
>>>>
>>>> – a joung lady or an old lady?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless I would love to understand your explanation –
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I prepared two graphics – coming next message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stefan ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>>> ] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 15:58
>>>> An: SignWriting List
>>>> Cc: Stefan Wöhrmann
>>>> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Namibia handshape construction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>
>>>> May 31, 2009
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Stefan and Everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for this question. And your photos and writings are  
>>>> always
>>>>
>>>> so beautiful! Congrats on all you are doing, Stefan....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the handshape in SignWriting...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The photo of your hand is different than the writing of the
>>>> handshape
>>>>
>>>> you are showing in the SignWriting example you have attached...The
>>>>
>>>> thumb is to the side in your photo...not forward...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So basing it on the photo with the thumb to the side, we have that
>>>>
>>>> handshape already in the ISWA....I know you will be creating
>>>> TrueType
>>>>
>>>> fonts, and that is great...but I am happy it is in the ISWA too,
>>>> so I
>>>>
>>>> can show you what I mean...please see my attached screen
>>>> capture...the
>>>>
>>>> handshape is in Group 9...the thumb to the side needs the thumb  
>>>> line
>>>>
>>>> on the other side of the rectangle base from the index finger,
>>>> because
>>>>
>>>> when the thumb line is on the same side as the bent Index finger,
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> would show that the thumb and the index finger are relating to each
>>>>
>>>> other and it means that the thumb line is forward pointing in the
>>>> same
>>>>
>>>> direction as the Index finger...So if you want the thumb to look
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>> it is pointing in another direction other than the index finger,  
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> need the thumb line on the other side of the rectangle base of the
>>>>
>>>> hand...please see my attached diagram:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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