AW: [sw-l] Understanding a sign

Mon Nov 16 14:50:40 UTC 2009

Hi Charles 

It is interesting to compare different spellings in SW.  Following the link
to this PEACOCK sign I would write it like this 

I do not know why he signs the “bird” with his right hand and the “tail”
with the left – just using the right hand as a platform for the elbow.
Probably other signers would perform both parts of this combined  sign with
the same hand? 

Stefan ;-)

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Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Montag, 16. November 2009 14:45
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Understanding a sign

Hmm.  I don't know the sign in production, but at least one variant I have
seen (look at mine with the bird and full sweep from Signing Savvy) actually
does move forward and back.  I should have a change in palm facing but I'm
away from the editor.  

I have not seen the sign in Cecilia Flood's sign in video, so I'm not sure.
Adam what do you think?

http://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/PEACOCK

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=03-05-002-01-01-05,10
4,26,01-09-028-01-06-01,103,69,02-02-008-01-03-05,84,59,01-05-012-01-02-03,1
00,179,01-05-001-01-03-09,105,115,02-09-001-02-01-02,77,130,04-02-002-02-01-
01,118,145,02-01-004-01-01-01,113,97,> 

peacock

bird plus spreading fingers.

Sign:
<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/spreader.html?bsw=0080df04f8e7f899591
0f8e6f8c46964f8d3f8ba2212f8e3f9321ce8f8e8f8f2ad21f8ccf901e6e0f8f5f9105fe0f8f
0f8e0> Reader
Source: SigningSavvy; commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb
Modified: November 15, 2009 13:24
Puddle page 10503

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From: Ingvild Roald <iroald at hotmail.com>
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 8:14:28 AM
Subject: RE: [sw-l] Understanding a sign

Exept, of course, that Adam's is so easily readable that if you know it is
supposed to be the sign for 'peacock', you may not even notice that the
arrow is written single-stemmed when it should have been double-stemmed -
sorry all

Ingvild 

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From: iroald at hotmail.com
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Subject: RE: [sw-l] Understanding a sign
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:08:12 +0100

Agreed - Adam's is easy to read, while you would have to think for a while
(and change the palm facing) to read the original one

Ingvild 

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From: kjoanne403 at signwriting.org
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Understanding a sign
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:20:59 -0700

Not doable at all, as far as I can see... the palm facing of the fist is
just wrong.  But I prefer Adam's writing, myself.

KJ

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From: Charles <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>  Butler 

To: SignWriting List <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:14 PM

Subject: Re: [sw-l] Understanding a sign

Now that is clear.  I guess we need that variant in the SignPuddle now as
the first one is simply not easily doable.

Charles

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From: Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 5:03:54 PM
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Understanding a sign

I would write it like this. 

Adam

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-10-012-01-02-09,16
7,68,01-05-001-01-03-08,178,50,02-01-013-01-01-01,167,49,02-09-001-02-01-01,
156,39,> peacock

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-05-001-01-03-08&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-10-012-01-02-09&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-01-013-01-01-01&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-09-001-02-01-01&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

Sign: Reader
<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/spreader.html?bsw=00805e18f926f8c31ce
7f931f8b16340f926f8b0ad20f91bf8a6> 
Source: Adam Frost

On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-10-012-01-02-01,16
8,69,01-05-001-01-03-08,169,100,02-01-013-01-01-01,170,87,02-09-001-02-01-01
,162,130> peacock

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-10-012-01-02-01&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-05-001-01-03-08&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-01-013-01-01-01&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-09-001-02-01-01&col
or=999999&size=.7> 

Sign: Reader
<http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/spreader.html?bsw=00805e10f927f8c41ce
7f928f8e36340f929f8d6ad20f921f901> 
Source: CF New Mexico

I'm trying to understand this sign.  I'm not sure where the surfaces are;
and I don't seem to be able to duplicate this sign.

Charles Butler

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