An interesting query on Non-Dominant Hands (NDH)

[Kimberley Shaw]

Hi Adam and all:
I vote for putting in that info into Puddle anyways, when we know it!
And when we see signs in Puddle we know variants for, we can add &
explain them. Perhaps we can turn Puddle into a sort of Wiki-Webster.
Then, when we're rich and retired, we can really get going ...
- Kim from Boston

On 11/23/09, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
> I completely agree. I would love to see more of a Webster of the
> American Sign Language sort of thing going, but I feel that the online
> puddle wouldn't be the place for that unless it was limited to a few
> editors. And besides that, most people don't know that sort of
> information to input it much less even seem to care. If I had all the
> time in the world and unlimited resources, that is the sort of thing
> that I would do. ;-)
>
> Adam
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
>> Yes, or a discussion of history of particular signs.  I guess we
>> need more documentation of usage in our definitions.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> From: Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 10:29:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] An interesting query on Non-Dominant Hands (NDH)
>>
>> Yup. That's what I said. ;-) So are you asking where the "C" base is
>> in SignPuddle?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:08 PM, "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The ASL Teacher list serve asked this question.  What shape is the
>>> Non-Dominant Hand in the sign "church".
>>>
>>> That is  a very interesting question, one that I have asked before
>>> to some
>>> of my fellow  deafies in my community. I have seen the NDH being a
>>> C as you
>>> said, as well as  a fist and a flat hand. The most memorable is
>>> when I asked
>>> my friend who is  very pious which it should be for CHURCH. He said
>>> that if
>>> you sign church on a  flat hand, you have a weak foundation; if you
>>> sign it
>>> on a fist, you have a  firm foundation. When I asked about it with
>>> a C, he
>>> said then you have a weak  foundation lazily placed. Then I joked
>>> with him
>>> and said that maybe it was a  weak foundation trying to look like a
>>> firm one.
>>> He laughed at that one. The  point being from what I have gathered
>>> from him
>>> and several others is that it  really doesn't matter which of the
>>> three you
>>> use when just chatting, but when  in a very formal setting to use
>>> the fist
>>> base. Now whether you are teaching  your students to be apart of
>>> t_he Deaf
>>> community socially or professionally  will help you decide which to
>>> teach.
>>>
>>> MY Comment:
>>>
>>> Here is what I find on SignPuddle -- with flat hand and with fist.
>>>
>>>
>>> church
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sign: Reader
>>> Modified: September 18, 2008 08:38
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> church
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sign: Reader
>>> Source: Vanessa J.
>>> Modified: September 18, 2008 08:41
>>> Puddle page 7401
>>>
>>>
>>> >From what I have noticed is that SN tries  to find a happy middle
>>> for those
>>> who may be unsure or don't want to limit to  one or the other without
>>> overloading students with too many options. Hope that  helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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