invisible person in ASL storytelling...

Sat Sep 19 02:57:06 UTC 2009

This is something I will have to discuss with my Deaf friends 

Ingvild 

Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:43:46 -0700
From: chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [sw-l] invisible person in ASL storytelling...
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu

There are, in fact, comic books in Brazil that are being captioned in Sign Writing, so perhaps that is the end result, one ends up having a captioned story of several people, but not the natural language which tells stories by body postures.

If one is talking about a bowl of soup, for instance, one can set up the bowl, hold it in place with one hand, and add all sorts of ingredients, but there is not an "invisible" bowl hanging there, it is a placeholder created by one's hand.  

Charles

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] invisible person in ASL storytelling...
To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 3:33 PM

You are no longer showing the language when you do this, though.  Now you are creating some sort of pictorial story in a strange set of symbols, but it is not sign language anymore.  If that is your aim, then get an artist to do a picture-story/comic book.  

cherie

From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:46:03 AM
Subject: RE: [sw-l] invisible person in ASL storytelling...

I would have to agree, one could show two people on the road as an interpreter, or one could show two people as a language, which means the interpreter is not the person being conveyed, but the two people he or she is talking about.  

An interpreter can convey by posture that there are three people present, but if one writes out the story, one can flesh out the details and actually show the three people involved, putting each of them in a different lane, just as one one in Dance Writing.  

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Ingvild Roald <iroald at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ingvild Roald <iroald at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [sw-l] invisible person in ASL storytelling...
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 10:37 AM

Actually, I do not agree with Val that the job is to write what is seen on the video. That will not get the message of the original story across. This is maybe one of the reasons we really need to sign languages: that the video translation is not a full translation form English (or Greek) to ASL, but a partial one. With the written form, we are able to bring in the second person, not visible in the video. 

Thus, I prefer the first version, with the 'invisible' person present

Ingvild 

> From: sutton at signwriting.org
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:20:23 -0700
> CC: josignj at aol.com
> Subject: [sw-l] invisible person in ASL storytelling...
> 
> SignWriting List
> September 16, 2009
> 
> On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > I am watching a video (if you can see the video it is the Bible, 
> > Mark 07_31-37
 at .43 on the counter). Jesus is healing a Deaf/Mute 
> > man. -- First Jesus sticks his fingers into the mans ears and then 
> > removes them.---- So how do I show to whom Jesus to doing this to...
> 
> Hello Jonita and everyone -
> You are writing from an ASL videotape that Deaf Missions made of the 
> Bible. The signer is Patrick Graybill, and he did an excellent 
> description of Jesus placing his index fingers in a Deaf man's ears to 
> heal him...when he signed this story, Patrick did not have a real 
> person to place his index fingers into...he had to show this story in 
> ASL, without anyone else standing in front of him...
> 
> So your job is to try to write what you see Patrick do on the video...
> 
> Everyone sees things a little differently, but here is my writing of 
> this position and movement, plus attached are clips from the video of

> Patrick...
> 
> How did I write this?
> 
> 1. First I place the shoulders and head facing the left front corner
> 
> 2. Second, I write the hands in the sign over to the left side of the 
> head and shoulders, like this:
> 
> 

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