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Fri Feb 26 13:22:48 UTC 2010

The Sign Spelling Sequence is not generated automatically.  The writer chooses how one visualizes the signs.  It's a dictionary sorting program like any other.  There are generalized rules, but they can be chosen differently.  I regularly go through the dictionary looking for signs that have not been analyzed and putting in the sequence.  For example, a left-handed reader would write them differently as the primary hand is opposite the standard and they might lay it down first.  Where one puts the facial contact when the starting point is contact has often been a puzzle for me. 

Your sign for Deaf I would break into two sequences.  The first would be the right hand and its contact point with the face, then the movement to the two hands touching.  It really is a merger of two signs, not just one sign.  

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From: Kate <kcagiso at gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 1:43:02 AM
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Steve

Okay, I see..but I would write the sequence as:

I thought the SignSpelling Sequence is generated automatically. One just types signs using SignText and submits them to 
SignPuddle. Then the analyze button gives all the data needed?

Kate

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net> wrote:

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>>Hi Kate,
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>>Yes, the <seq> tag represents a symbol in the SignSpelling
>Sequence.  If a sign doesn't have any <seq> tags in the XML, then
>the sign entry does not include a SignSpelling Sequence.  The sequence
>is manually entered.
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>>You can use the new SignText online.  I'll have the new SWIS downloads
>ready in early March.
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>>Considering the sign in your email, an ASL puddle sign for deaf, we can
>look at it together:
>http://signbank.org/signpuddle1.5/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5206
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>>This sign contains 2 parts, the spelling and the sequence.  This
>illustrates a good point, that the spelling and the sequence do not
>have to use the same symbols.
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>>The symbol "dea0" only appears in the spelling.
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>>The symbol "de06" is used in the sequence.
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>>Whoever wrote this sign thought the symbol "de06" would sort more
>accurately if used in the sequence, but they thought the simpler symbol
>"dea0" was better for the spelling.
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>>That's the thing about the spelling and the sequence.  They are each
>entered manually and they don't have to use the same symbols, even
>though they most often do use the same symbols.
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>>At the end of the sequence, we see the symbol "5ec0" repeated twice.
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>>The contact is assumed in the spelling without using a symbol.  But now
>that I look at the sequence in more detail, I see that it's written
>incorrectly.  A single contact should have been used, or the sign
>should have been written differently.  As it stands, I'd have written
>the sequence as:
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>>You should be able to see syllable 1, the starting handshape.  Syllable
>2, movement between syllable 1 and 3.  Syllable 3, ending handshapes. 
>Syllable 4, location and facial expression.
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>>Regards,
>>-Steve
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