LREC 2010 conference and future SignWriting software

Wed Jun 2 15:54:04 UTC 2010

Hallo Val,
I think that this is the "exact" web page: http://www.slls.eu/index2.php5#.
Best regards
Nedelina

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>wrote:

> SignWriting List
> June 2, 2010
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> Hello Nedelina and everyone!
> Thanks for this message. I can imagine that Malta and Iceland both, are
> simply lovely and it would be a dream to be able to visit both places! I am
> so happy once again, that the volcano allowed you to go to Malta ;-))
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> Please post the "exact" web page where a person can join the SLLS - it if
> is open to all, then there is no problem posting that web page, and I would
> like to join. I could not find the place to join on their web site. Many
> thanks.
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> I have not contacted the Bulgarian contact yet, but I promise I will ;-)
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> And no worries about your work with SignWriting in Iceland - there is no
> rush. We can help you here on the list any time you do have time to write
> some more.
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>  I did hear from the Deaf Icelandic signer you mention, and he told me he
> was just learning it and sounded a little shy, so I think it is just a
> matter of the two of you slowly taking one step at a time -
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> By the way, I placed the way I personally would write "FISKUR" in your
> Icelandic SignPuddle. There are several ways to write that sign:
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> http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/index.php?ui=1&sgn=0&sgn=131
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> On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Nedelina Ivanova wrote:
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> > Dear Val,
> >
> > as for now it is only me in Iceland who can write signs so I cannot say
> that we here in Iceland write signs. James Kegl and I started to “signwrite”
> a book but I have been so busy that I haven´t had time to finish what we
> started. And you know, there is no one here who can read it. There was a
> deaf man who was so excited to write signs and wanted to do it really well
> but I am not sure that he does. I was so glad to know of him and I hoped
> that he can start a kind of project and spread SignWriting here.
> >
> > O, ja,  enjoyed the trip to Malta. I love Malta!!! It is so beautiful and
> peaceful place!
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> > I hope that you will be invited to SLLS, it is open to all... So don´t
> worry :=)
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> > I was thinking, have you contacted the guy in Bulgaria? I am curious to
> get know if they are intrested in SignWriting :=)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Nedelina
> > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Valerie Sutton <
> writesignlanguage at gmail.com> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > May 27, 2010
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> > Hello Nedelina!
> > Thank you for posting this message. I am glad to know you made it to
> Malta, and met Maria and Tim. And I understand from Maria, that you all are
> using SignWriting differently? I would like to hear more about that...the
> different ways people use SignWriting is an interesting topic. I hope you
> enjoyed your trip to Malta.
> >
> > I am happy to know about this organization you mention from Europe:
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> > Sign Language Linguistic Society (SLLS)
> > http://www.slls.eu/index2.php5
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> > I had never heard of them. I know you are a member of the SLLING List,
> Nedelina, because that is how I heard about your work in Iceland, but I
> would love to join the SLLS List...so I am writing to them to ask permission
> to join...it appears you have to be invited, so they may not want an
> American sign language transcriptionist like me (smile)...but we will see!
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> > The SLLS web site mentions TISLR 2010 - That is good!
> >
> > All the best -
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
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> > On May 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, Nedelina Ivanova wrote:
> >
> > > Hi from Iceland.
> > >
> > >  I could make it to Malta. I met Tim and Maria and it was great to have
> a talk with both of you.
> > > It is true that SignWriting was not visible in Malta. As you say, you
> did not know about the conference ... I was thinking, is such kind of
> information given on SLLS (http://www.slls.eu/index2.php5)? But you have
> to be a member to get access to all the information, isn´t it?
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Nedelina
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Valerie Sutton <
> sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
> > > SignWriting List
> > > May 27, 2010
> > >
> > > Thank you, everyone, for your discussions about the LREC 2010. I feel
> many of you have missed the point a little...So let me explain from my point
> of view.
> > >
> > > SignWriting software development presentations dominated the LREC 2004
> in Lisbon. You can see the majority of the papers presented at the LREC 2004
> were using SignWriting for software development. I created a special web
> area for all the papers and the whole proceedings and even the group photo:
> > >
> > > LREC 2004
> > > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/index.html
> > >
> > > HamNoSys presentations were there too, in 2004, but in that conference,
> SignWriting had more presentations.
> > >
> > > So when it comes to conferences, these things wax and wane...sort of
> like a tidal wave or a snowball effect...and SignWriting will dominate at
> the LREC conferences in the future...I am sure of it!
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, in 2010, behind the scenes, Steve's software development
> with SignWriting, which we are soon to announce, is so totally fabulous for
> people who write sign languages on a daily basis, for writing real
> literature and encyclopedia articles in the facial expressions and
> handshapes and movements and role shifting of sign languages, that it is
> really not correct to compare our work with anyone else's, including
> HamNoSys, since the HamNoSys system's goals are different. HamNoSys cannot
> write sign language literature. There is no comparison because the goals of
> the two systems were never the same. HamNoSys is not a system designed for
> writing for everyday use like SignWriting is...and therefore I feel it is
> wrong to even compare the two systems, since our goals are different.
> > >
> > > Why was SignWriting not present at this current LREC 2010? Because we
> didn't even know about the conference until all the papers had already been
> submitted and accepted...and besides...our organization doesn't have the
> funds right now to pay our own way to Malta from the US, and meanwhile our
> work is free on the internet for everyone to use, and we are making huge
> strides forward now with really cool software for people who read and write
> sign languages on a daily basis, and that has nothing to do with any other
> system...
> > >
> > > So this is more a choice as to when we present our work at conferences,
> and not a statement as to whether one system is better or not...or more used
> or not for that matter...
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, there are other linguistic-based software projects that DO
> use SignWriting, and also three different Avatar projects, so SignWriting is
> used for these other areas too, but those projects were not represented at
> this particular conference...One of the current linguistic projects using
> SignWriting has recently submitted a grant to fund it, so it is just getting
> started with using SignWriting for their linguistic database. If that
> project succeeds, it may influence other linguistic programs in the future
> to use SignWriting too, and Steve's new software development will help that
> process along.
> > >
> > > Remember Maria, that you did not know about the 2010 conference
> yourself, until it was too late to submit? If it were not for Shane, who
> informed us about the conference (thank you Shane!), I don't believe we
> would have known about it...and that is ok...there are conferences in the
> future where SignWriting will be present again...too bad not in Malta
> though!
> > >
> > > I am giving you all big hugs and just know that great things are
> coming...
> > >
> > > And may I ask...was Tim Grove from the UK, and Nedelina Ivanova from
> Iceland, able to fly into Malta, and did you meet each other? I hope so...I
> was thinking of all of you the whole time...I know the volcano in Iceland
> made flying difficult...
> > >
> > > Val ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 27, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
> > >
> > > > MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:
> > > >> Dear Steve, Val and all the list,
> > > >> I attended the LREC 2010 and I must say I was slightly disappointed
> at the
> > > >> very low use of SignWriting in Computer Sign Language linguists.
> There
> > > >> were some researchers that told me they considered SignWriting, but
> opted
> > > >> for HanNoSys. It would be ideal if SignWriting were used, I thought,
> but I
> > > >> probably can't understand the technicalities, as computers are not
> my
> > > >> area.
> > > >> Could you explain why the situation is so.
> > >
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> > > --
> > > Nedelina Ivanova
> > > Sign language researcher
> > >
> > > The Communication Centre for The Deaf and Hard of Hearing
> > > Sudurlandsbraut 12
> > > 108 Reykjavik
> > > Iceland
> > >
> > > www.shh.is
> >
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> >
> > --
> > Nedelina Ivanova
> > Sign language researcher
> >
> > The Communication Centre for The Deaf and Hard of Hearing
> > Sudurlandsbraut 12
> > 108 Reykjavik
> > Iceland
> >
> > www.shh.is
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-- 
Nedelina Ivanova
Sign language researcher

The Communication Centre for The Deaf and Hard of Hearing
Sudurlandsbraut 12
108 Reykjavik
Iceland

www.shh.is
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