embedding ASL in pdf/html

[Alan Post]

Thank you Ingvild.  I did not hear from anyone else, so I have
updated the production website.  I'm still quite willing to hear
feedback and to make changes.

-Alan

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 04:13:14PM +0100, Ingvild Roald wrote:
>    To me, this seems very much better. But it would bee good to have Deaf
>    (native signer's) response to the issue.
> 
>    Ingvild
> 
>    > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:22:42 -0600
>    > From: alanpost at sunflowerriver.org
>    > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>    > Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html
>    >
>    > I've created a new draft of my page on use of sign language in "lo
>    > do ckiku ma zvati:"
>    >
>    > http://test.lodockikumazvati.org/xanbau/
>    >
>    > The original page is still online at:
>    >
>    > http://lodockikumazvati.org/xanbau/
>    >
>    > You can therefor compare the new and old versions of the page.
>    >
>    > Ingvild, Cherie, and anyone else interested, would you review the
>    > incorporation of the below given feedback? I'll publish the changes
>    > to the production website if everything looks ok.
>    >
>    > I'll push this update out tonight if I don't hear any feedback on
>    > the new version of the page. I hope it has covered every point made
>    > below.
>    >
>    > -Alan
>    >
>    > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:26:02AM +0100, Ingvild Roald wrote:
>    > > My feeling too - it is dangerous ground. But if it made clear that:
>    > >
>    > > 1) ASL and other sign languages are real languages, used by real
>    people
>    > > 2) as real languages, they have their own grammar
>    > > 3) that what is used in your game is individual signs borrowed from
>    ASL,
>    > > and not the real ASL language
>    > > 4) that learning the signs of ASL is not learning ASL
>    > > 5) that knowing ASL signs may ease communication with ASL signers, if
>    you
>    > > are aware of the limitations mentioned above.
>    > >
>    > > If this is not made very clear in the use of the signs, I fully
>    understand
>    > > how this make give a feeling of being 'raped' . Deaf people have been
>    > > through so many hard times trying to make other understand, that they
>    are
>    > > often quite a bit sensitive to this issue. At the same time, when
>    showing
>    > > with humilty and respect, a person who uses signs haltingly is usually
>    > > made to feel welcome in a signing setting. At least, this is my
>    experience
>    > >
>    > > Ingvild (Norway, non-Deaf)
>    > >
>    > > > From: icemandeaf at gmail.com
>    > > > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>    > > > Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html
>    > > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:32:19 -0700
>    > > >
>    > > > That's exactly what he meant. It is something that has to be treaded
>    > > > carefully because it has happened too many times where that exact
>    fear
>    > > > has happened. That is why so many Deaf people are so protective.
>    > > >
>    > > > Adam
>    > > >
>    > > > On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>    > > >
>    > > > > So I am trying to imagine what the Deaf person meant by saying
>    that
>    > > > > to you...I would assume there is a possible fear, that hearing
>    > > > > people will use Deaf people's native language, ASL, which is a
>    true
>    > > > > language, just for games, and not understand its importance in
>    > > > > society .... do you think that was what he meant?
>    > > > >
>    > > > > Adam?
>    > > >
>    > > >
>    > > >
>    > > >
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