embedding ASL in pdf/html

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March 23, 2010

I might be able to contact some friends in New Mexico - are you in Albuquerque?

And I do have two contacts at the Oregon School for the Deaf - I have no idea how they will react, but I can write to them privately and get back to you, Alan -

So is the software working for you now? Does your blog use SignWriting now, like Adam's blog? I haven't been following what happened with the software issues - sorry for that...

Val ;-)

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On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Alan Post wrote:

> Adam,
> 
> I play "Where are your Keys" monthly with a group that is teaching
> itself Spanish, and have recently been approached by several people
> very interested in "Where are your Keys?" to learn ASL, removing the
> verbal component of the game.  My next game, scheduled for this
> weekend, will actually be Contact Sign only.
> 
> My significant challenge here is that the one person in the Deaf
> community I personally interact with is not engaged by the game.
> Playing WAYK requires a fluent speaker, even if that speaker does
> not know how to play WAYK.
> 
> I suspect I could fill a lot of empty chairs for regular ASL
> sessions, with a fluent teacher.  Right now the demand for teachers
> exceeds the supply.
> 
> My own problem here aside, Willem and Evan (the creators of "Where
> are your Keys?") live in Oregon, USA.  If anyone in that area is
> interested in taking Adam's suggestion here I'd be happy to put you
> in touch with both of them.  I live in New Mexico, USA, for purposes
> of the same offer.
> 
> -Alan
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:15:10PM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
>>   I was talking with a friend of mine about this same thing. She said that
>>   the best way to guard against that is to make sure that there are Deaf
>>   people involved. It doesn't mean that you will be protected completely
>>   against that danger of apearring to appropriate, but there will be less
>>   chance since the Deaf people involved will keep the language intact. I
>>   personally think it holds for any language, but Deaf people are hyperaware
>>   because of how often it has happened.
>>   Adam
>> 
>>   On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:51 PM, "Cherie Wren" <[1]cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>     What hearing people have done, more than just a few times, is take the
>>     LANGUAGE of Deaf people, ASL, and minimize it into a code for English
>>     (or whatever).  Using the signs to' stand for' words in another language
>>     without understanding the grammar and structure that make ASL a language
>>     is reducing one of the most beautiful languages into nothing more than
>>     morse code on the hands.  Its like taking a beautiful piece of art and
>>     cutting it into pieces to use for note paper.   While using it to play
>>     your game to teach yet another language is, I am sure, useful to you, it
>>     contributes to the all too common misunderstanding that ASL is not a
>>     proper language, it is just 'hand talk code' and can be thrown about
>>     willy nilly in any fashion we want.  It denigrates ASL into a
>>     SUB-sub-language status.  (it has long been considered "less than"
>>     spoken language, now its being pushed even lower.)
>> 
>>     Wow.  Sorry.  I didn't realize I felt that strongly about it until I
>>     started writing.  I sat and seriously debated whether I wanted to send
>>     this or delete it, but you asked...  I have nothing against you or your
>>     project, and I hope this doesn't come across as too offensive.  But I
>>     have been fighting with hearing people who treat ASL as a way to
>>     manually represent English for FAAAARRR too long.  I apologize if I have
>>     ruffled any feathers...
>> 
>>     cherie
>> 
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>> 
>>     From: Adam Frost <[2]icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>     To: SignWriting List <[3]sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>     Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:32:19 PM
>>     Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html
>>     That's exactly what he meant. It is something that has to be treaded
>>     carefully because it has happened too many times where that exact fear
>>     has happened. That is why so many Deaf people are so protective.
>> 
>>     Adam
>> 
>>     On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>> 
>>> So I am trying to imagine what the Deaf person meant by saying that to
>>     you...I would assume there is a possible fear, that hearing people will
>>     use Deaf people's native language, ASL, which is a true language, just
>>     for games, and not understand its importance in society .... do you
>>     think that was what he meant?
>>> 
>>> Adam?
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