embedding ASL in pdf/html
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March 23, 2010
I might be able to contact some friends in New Mexico - are you in Albuquerque?
And I do have two contacts at the Oregon School for the Deaf - I have no idea how they will react, but I can write to them privately and get back to you, Alan -
So is the software working for you now? Does your blog use SignWriting now, like Adam's blog? I haven't been following what happened with the software issues - sorry for that...
Val ;-)
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On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Alan Post wrote:
> Adam,
>
> I play "Where are your Keys" monthly with a group that is teaching
> itself Spanish, and have recently been approached by several people
> very interested in "Where are your Keys?" to learn ASL, removing the
> verbal component of the game. My next game, scheduled for this
> weekend, will actually be Contact Sign only.
>
> My significant challenge here is that the one person in the Deaf
> community I personally interact with is not engaged by the game.
> Playing WAYK requires a fluent speaker, even if that speaker does
> not know how to play WAYK.
>
> I suspect I could fill a lot of empty chairs for regular ASL
> sessions, with a fluent teacher. Right now the demand for teachers
> exceeds the supply.
>
> My own problem here aside, Willem and Evan (the creators of "Where
> are your Keys?") live in Oregon, USA. If anyone in that area is
> interested in taking Adam's suggestion here I'd be happy to put you
> in touch with both of them. I live in New Mexico, USA, for purposes
> of the same offer.
>
> -Alan
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:15:10PM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
>> I was talking with a friend of mine about this same thing. She said that
>> the best way to guard against that is to make sure that there are Deaf
>> people involved. It doesn't mean that you will be protected completely
>> against that danger of apearring to appropriate, but there will be less
>> chance since the Deaf people involved will keep the language intact. I
>> personally think it holds for any language, but Deaf people are hyperaware
>> because of how often it has happened.
>> Adam
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:51 PM, "Cherie Wren" <[1]cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> What hearing people have done, more than just a few times, is take the
>> LANGUAGE of Deaf people, ASL, and minimize it into a code for English
>> (or whatever). Using the signs to' stand for' words in another language
>> without understanding the grammar and structure that make ASL a language
>> is reducing one of the most beautiful languages into nothing more than
>> morse code on the hands. Its like taking a beautiful piece of art and
>> cutting it into pieces to use for note paper. While using it to play
>> your game to teach yet another language is, I am sure, useful to you, it
>> contributes to the all too common misunderstanding that ASL is not a
>> proper language, it is just 'hand talk code' and can be thrown about
>> willy nilly in any fashion we want. It denigrates ASL into a
>> SUB-sub-language status. (it has long been considered "less than"
>> spoken language, now its being pushed even lower.)
>>
>> Wow. Sorry. I didn't realize I felt that strongly about it until I
>> started writing. I sat and seriously debated whether I wanted to send
>> this or delete it, but you asked... I have nothing against you or your
>> project, and I hope this doesn't come across as too offensive. But I
>> have been fighting with hearing people who treat ASL as a way to
>> manually represent English for FAAAARRR too long. I apologize if I have
>> ruffled any feathers...
>>
>> cherie
>>
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>>
>> From: Adam Frost <[2]icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>> To: SignWriting List <[3]sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:32:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html
>> That's exactly what he meant. It is something that has to be treaded
>> carefully because it has happened too many times where that exact fear
>> has happened. That is why so many Deaf people are so protective.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>
>>> So I am trying to imagine what the Deaf person meant by saying that to
>> you...I would assume there is a possible fear, that hearing people will
>> use Deaf people's native language, ASL, which is a true language, just
>> for games, and not understand its importance in society .... do you
>> think that was what he meant?
>>>
>>> Adam?
>>
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