embedding ASL in pdf/html
Alan Post
alanpost at SUNFLOWERRIVER.ORG
Wed Mar 24 03:28:20 UTC 2010
I live in Albuquerque and work in Santa Fe, so yes.
The software is working beautifully for me! I've barely scratched
the surface of what it offers--I picked the simplest thing I could
possibly accomplish and tried it. Over the next week I'll do the
next simplest thing, and continue doing that until I need new
features in the software. :-)
My blog does use SignWriter now, but it is only like Adam's blog in
technical detail. He has far more multi-lingual content, and users
to my website can't yet leave comments in SignText like they can on
Adam's. All in time!
I don't know how Willem or Evan would react either, so this will be
new territory for everyone. I look forward to hearing from you on
the topic.
-Alan
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 07:27:15PM -0700, SignWriting wrote:
> SignWriting List
> March 23, 2010
>
> I might be able to contact some friends in New Mexico - are you in Albuquerque?
>
> And I do have two contacts at the Oregon School for the Deaf - I have no idea how they will react, but I can write to them privately and get back to you, Alan -
>
> So is the software working for you now? Does your blog use SignWriting now, like Adam's blog? I haven't been following what happened with the software issues - sorry for that...
>
> Val ;-)
>
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>
> On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Alan Post wrote:
>
> > Adam,
> >
> > I play "Where are your Keys" monthly with a group that is teaching
> > itself Spanish, and have recently been approached by several people
> > very interested in "Where are your Keys?" to learn ASL, removing the
> > verbal component of the game. My next game, scheduled for this
> > weekend, will actually be Contact Sign only.
> >
> > My significant challenge here is that the one person in the Deaf
> > community I personally interact with is not engaged by the game.
> > Playing WAYK requires a fluent speaker, even if that speaker does
> > not know how to play WAYK.
> >
> > I suspect I could fill a lot of empty chairs for regular ASL
> > sessions, with a fluent teacher. Right now the demand for teachers
> > exceeds the supply.
> >
> > My own problem here aside, Willem and Evan (the creators of "Where
> > are your Keys?") live in Oregon, USA. If anyone in that area is
> > interested in taking Adam's suggestion here I'd be happy to put you
> > in touch with both of them. I live in New Mexico, USA, for purposes
> > of the same offer.
> >
> > -Alan
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:15:10PM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
> >> I was talking with a friend of mine about this same thing. She said that
> >> the best way to guard against that is to make sure that there are Deaf
> >> people involved. It doesn't mean that you will be protected completely
> >> against that danger of apearring to appropriate, but there will be less
> >> chance since the Deaf people involved will keep the language intact. I
> >> personally think it holds for any language, but Deaf people are hyperaware
> >> because of how often it has happened.
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:51 PM, "Cherie Wren" <[1]cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What hearing people have done, more than just a few times, is take the
> >> LANGUAGE of Deaf people, ASL, and minimize it into a code for English
> >> (or whatever). Using the signs to' stand for' words in another language
> >> without understanding the grammar and structure that make ASL a language
> >> is reducing one of the most beautiful languages into nothing more than
> >> morse code on the hands. Its like taking a beautiful piece of art and
> >> cutting it into pieces to use for note paper. While using it to play
> >> your game to teach yet another language is, I am sure, useful to you, it
> >> contributes to the all too common misunderstanding that ASL is not a
> >> proper language, it is just 'hand talk code' and can be thrown about
> >> willy nilly in any fashion we want. It denigrates ASL into a
> >> SUB-sub-language status. (it has long been considered "less than"
> >> spoken language, now its being pushed even lower.)
> >>
> >> Wow. Sorry. I didn't realize I felt that strongly about it until I
> >> started writing. I sat and seriously debated whether I wanted to send
> >> this or delete it, but you asked... I have nothing against you or your
> >> project, and I hope this doesn't come across as too offensive. But I
> >> have been fighting with hearing people who treat ASL as a way to
> >> manually represent English for FAAAARRR too long. I apologize if I have
> >> ruffled any feathers...
> >>
> >> cherie
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> From: Adam Frost <[2]icemandeaf at gmail.com>
> >> To: SignWriting List <[3]sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> >> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:32:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html
> >> That's exactly what he meant. It is something that has to be treaded
> >> carefully because it has happened too many times where that exact fear
> >> has happened. That is why so many Deaf people are so protective.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> >>
> >>> So I am trying to imagine what the Deaf person meant by saying that to
> >> you...I would assume there is a possible fear, that hearing people will
> >> use Deaf people's native language, ASL, which is a true language, just
> >> for games, and not understand its importance in society .... do you
> >> think that was what he meant?
> >>>
> >>> Adam?
> >>
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