AW: how would you like to improve the SignWriting List?

Sun Jan 2 20:22:05 UTC 2011

If there are more people interested in a web forum, I can set up one.

Lucy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SignWriting" <signwriting at MAC.COM>
To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: AW: how would you like to improve the SignWriting List?

> SignWriting List
> January 2, 2011
>
> Hello Lucy, Stefan and Shane -
>
> Happy Birthday again, Lucy, and I love the card for Lucy, 
> Stefan...smile...thanks for posting it...
>
> First, I want everyone to know, the SignWriting List continues as always 
> on the Listserve...The SignWriting List is connected with other Lists that 
> discuss sign languages, and I do not want to change from the LISTSERVE 
> software that Valencia Community College is providing for us as a 
> donation.
>
> But ....second....Lucy, would you like to start a SignWriting web forum 
> yourself? That would be fine with me and it would be great if you or 
> others take the responsibility for it, I would be happy to join as one of 
> the members. It may be very popular over time, especially if it is setup 
> well, as you describe below in your message...it sounds like an 
> interesting choice as well...So go right ahead...
>
> The reason I will continue the SignWriting List as it is now, is that our 
> non-profit organization was given a gift of the Listserve by Valencia 
> Community College, and a part of that gift is our connection with three 
> other Lists that are sign language related. Our Archives, for all four 
> Lists, are easily accessible using the same server and same software, and 
> so the Sign Language Linguists, Interpreters, ASL Teachers, and the 
> SignWriting List, share a common bond, that has been ongoing for over a 
> decade. I do not want to lose that bond. Here are the four Lists:
>
> Email Lists on Valencia Community College Server
> http://listserv.valenciacc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?INDEX
>
> SLLING-L
> SW-L
> TEACHASL
> TERPS-L
>
> In some ways I agree with Shane. People will not make the effort to go up 
> on the web to read the messages posted there, if they do not have the 
> option of receiving the messages in their email. Can people, in a web 
> forum, choose to receive their messages through email too?
>
> Since the web forums are free, do they throw ads at you? We used to have 
> one of our List Archives on Yahoo egroups, and they forced readers into 
> seeing full page ads before they could read the message they were 
> searching for, and some of those ads were sexually-explicit and I was 
> concerned that an educational group like our SignWriting List might have 
> children with teachers accessing the Archives, and I did not want those 
> ads being thrown at our users, so Bill Reese helped move our second 
> Archives over to LinguistList.org (our Archive 3) ...which was a 
> fortuitous move -
>
> Archive 3
> http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A0=SW-L
>
> So the SignWriting List continues as the Listserve it is, but if others 
> want to establish other SignWriting-related lists and forums I think that 
> will be great to see how it all works - Facebook and Twitter are other 
> opportunities as well, but I have not focused well on them either -
>
> So thanks for the good ideas everyone -
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
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>
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Shane K. Gilchrist wrote:
>
>> if we move it to web forum, then many people wont get to read it unless 
>> youre dedicated to the issue itself.
>>
>> Discussion groups by email is still more effective (even thought its not 
>> always the best way) - yes I agree that web forums are easy to deal with 
>> it won't get the same readership you have with SW-L :-(
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> On 2 January 2011 12:22, Lucy <lists at onet.eu> wrote:
>> Thank you, Valerie, for your wishes and all your nice words.
>> Yes, I know the List Archive could be accessed via the web. But there are 
>> many free web forum services, we could just choose one and create a new 
>> forum divided into thematic sections, with the sections divided into 
>> individual topics... Each of the section could have also different 
>> moderators... You can have a FAQ section there and also national 
>> sections... I think it would be a more friendly interface and environment 
>> for us the users and the new users. When you are logged in you can see 
>> where (in which sections) there are new postings, who is online, which 
>> topic is the most popular, which issues are the most interesting to the 
>> users etc.. And the users can more easily find the issue they are 
>> interested in.
>> Of course, I don't deny that this List works well, too, and that Valerie 
>> and others do a great work here to help the others scattered throughout 
>> the world. But I just think that a regular web forum would be just a bit 
>> better.
>> For some time we could have two SW forums: the List and a web forum to 
>> see which is better. Some of you would need some time to get used to the 
>> new forum, mind that.
>>
>> Lucy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Sutton" 
>> <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>> To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: AW: how would you like to improve the SignWriting List?
>>
>>
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> January 1, 2011
>>
>> Hello Stefan and Lucy!
>> Thank you for your kind remarks. I do appreciate your good suggestions.
>>
>> I also want to thank other members who have written to me privately 
>> today - Your friendship and support gives the feeling of family. We all 
>> need that...
>>
>> I enjoy sharing with all of you and am open to suggestions, so continue 
>> to feel free to post suggestions and to start new topics of discussion 
>> related to writing sign languages.
>>
>> There are around 180 members of the SignWriting List, but only around 20 
>> members post regularly...maybe even fewer...so those who are reading in 
>> the background...I want you to know that we welcome comments from you 
>> too...smile...or just keep reading...that is fine too...we are glad to 
>> have you all on board.
>>
>> So Stefan - yes I know you want more messages written in SignMail, and I 
>> do agree. Steve has been working on a new version of our software that 
>> will fix the link-problem with the current SignMail, but it will be 
>> another month perhaps, before SignPuddle 1.6 will be ready (we are using 
>> 1.5 right now), so until 1.6, we will have to continue to ignore that 
>> link - if you can ignore that problem then I am happy to post more 
>> SignMails - it just means that you cannot respond to the message but 
>> start a fresh new SignMail message each time -
>>
>> The only other thing about SignMail that concerns me is that most of the 
>> time we are doing the mail in ASL, and some people on the List know other 
>> sign languages, like LIBRAS from Brazil, or German Sign Language or 
>> British Sign Language for example...so it would be good to balance out 
>> the SignMails so they come in different sign languages from time to 
>> time - so maybe I can work with Suzanne from the UK to help us create 
>> some SignMails in BSL? and perhaps someone who knows LIBRAS, like Charles 
>> or Eda or others on this List who are from Brazil, can help us create 
>> some SignMails in LIBRAS? And Lucy in Poland, I will teach you how to 
>> create a SignMail too...I haven't forgotten your request to learn how to 
>> create a SignMail...I will also create the Polish User Interface for you 
>> for the Polish SignPuddle ...thank you for the Polish translation...
>>
>> So SignMail and video transcriptions and more SignSpelling discussions 
>> are all good - I want more of those too ;-)
>>
>> I hope that more people ask questions on the List as to how to write a 
>> sign here and there to get those discussions going - and more teachers 
>> jump in to help if you can - and I hope that more people will post 
>> information about their current SignWriting projects...
>>
>> Lucy - your idea of a web-based SignWriting List has not gone unnoticed - 
>> at the moment we are setup at Valencia Community College, on their 
>> server, connected with other Lists related to sign languages, such as the 
>> Sign Language Linguists List (SLLING) and the TeachASL List and the 
>> Interpreters List (TERPS) so it is nice for us to be in that group of 
>> Lists with others interested in similar professions - and in some ways it 
>> is web based in that you can access the messages through the Archives on 
>> the web and respond right there on the web..did you know that you could 
>> do that? Would other members of the list be interested to learn how to do 
>> this?
>>
>> And Lucy - Happy Birthday! I know January 2nd is your birthday, and we 
>> are so happy to know you and to work with you - Your work with 
>> SignWriting in Poland is a pioneering effort...Thank you for all you are 
>> doing...and enjoy your birthday tomorrow.... ;-)
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>>
>> Hi Valerie -
>>
>> your Website is fantastic and the way you moderate this sw-list could not 
>> be
>> better. Again and again you show so much respect for newcomers. And even 
>> if
>> somebody shows up with some kind of "rude" or "unfriendly" critics you 
>> find
>> a way to handle this in an amazing way.
>>
>> I just would love to see more signmails - which would become easier once
>> Steve has fixed this SignPuddle mail option problem "Load to SignBank" 
>> which
>> is not working right now. I am looking forward to the day that the 
>> Signmail
>> - reload option will function again.
>>
>> I would love to see more spelling discussions. Studying your unique style 
>> of
>> writing signs is a never ending enrichment.
>>
>> There are so many online SL video clips that we will find plenty of 
>> examples
>> ....
>>
>> Remember these days when we started to discusse video transcriptions with
>> Marc Penner and other sw-list members?
>>
>> I do not think that a different platform like a web-forum would be an
>> advantage. ... May be that I do not understand - ...
>>
>> Stefan ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
>> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] Im Auftrag von Lucy
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011 00:00
>> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
>> Betreff: Re: how would you like to improve the SignWriting List?
>>
>> I know I repeat this like a parrot: Make it just modern - move to a web
>> forum :-)
>> Happy New Year!
>> Lucy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Sutton" 
>> <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>> To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:38 PM
>> Subject: how would you like to improve the SignWriting List?
>>
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> January 1, 2011
>>
>> Dear SW List Members -
>>
>> How would you like to improve the SignWriting List?
>>
>> Please post your suggestions...
>>
>> What are you interested in, related to writing sign languages?
>>
>> Name some topics -
>>
>> We can make the list interesting and relevant...but we need your input...
>
>
> Val ;-)
>
> Valerie Sutton
> SignWriting List moderator
> signwriting at mac.com
>
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