flipping and moving - what symbol

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
November 14, 2011

Well, the way you wrote it, there is a tiny bit of traveling happening because you wrote traveling arrows…If you want it to be completely in place with zero travel to the right and left, then you would use a Rotation Symbol without an arrow, that means staying in one place while you rotate…that is why we developed the Rotation Symbols to begin with…because we did not always want to travel, and if we stayed in one place, we needed to know which handshape happened first and which one second, without using a traveling arrow - so that is why the Rotation Symbols were developed - Here is an example of staying in one place with no travel side:






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On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:

> Thanks - I did look for the travel-with-rotation symbol , but writing both posistions would be enough, it seems. Sorry I did send two signs - the questen was about the one on the right. The first one means 'equal', the second one 'equation'. The hands flip/ rotate with the little finger side as axis - no separate travel, just the one that results from this 180 degree rotation. Agree this is enough - just had to make sure - this is part of a paper I just wrote for a terminology journal ...
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> Ingvild 
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:54:47 +0100
> From: stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM
> Subject: AW: flipping and moving - what symbol
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
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> I agree – I can read the sign perfectly!
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> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
> Gesendet: Montag, 14. November 2011 19:38
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> Betreff: Re: flipping and moving - what symbol
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> SignWriting List
> November 14, 2011
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> Hello Ingvild and everyone -
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> Thanks for this question...
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> What you have written below tells me the following:
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> 1. the two hands start contacting each other, with the index finger on a fist, palms parallel and facing the floor
> 2. then the two hands move to the side, the right to the right side and the left to the left side
> 3. at the end of the movement side, the handshapes have become flat hands parallel to the floor with the palms up, and the thumbs are out to the side
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> if I have read this correctly, then I don't think any other symbol is necessary -
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> You could write a Rotation Symbol, but Rotation Symbols do not travel to the side - they stay in one place - there are Rotation arrows combined with straight arrows in the ISWA 2010, but they are advanced symbols and I don't think any Rotation Symbol is necessary if I read it correctly above…
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> Val ;-)
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> On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:
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> The hands move posistion as the flip - what would be the right sybol?
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> Ingvild 
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