AW: Symbols quotation marks and long pause

Thu Feb 16 19:42:38 UTC 2012

Hi Val, 

I do not use the long pause very often but all the other punctuation marks
for our exact signed German documents, that we need to improve literacy...

Stefan

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February 16, 2012

Hi Stefan -

So you use the Quotation Marks and the Long Pause? Do you use the Long Pause
frequently? Is it used for something other than writing sign language songs?

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On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

Hi Val,

well for our purpose at school we use the complete list of punctuation marks
every day. :-))

Stefan

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February 16, 2012

Hello Ingvild -

That is a great idea, to place the beginning Quotation Mark in the Left Lane
and the ending Quotation Mark in the Right lane, with the quoted phrase in
the Center Lane - when writing in vertical columns. Very interesting idea
and it sounds like it would work well - There are exciting perspectives as
you say - and each writer can be creative with these Quotation symbols,
which are rarely used - The reason I took them out of the ISWA 2010 was that
I could not find many instances of their use, even though they have been a
part of the SignWriting system for decades - Maybe now, as we are publishing
some books in SignWriting that are over 500 pages - maybe with more books we
will find the Quotation Marks coming back - who knows? ;-)

When it comes to writing the actual sign for "quote"
although I agree that
it is normally for writing the way another person signs, I actually feel it
is becoming a part of the written form for writing ASL
not just because
someone did the sign for quote, but because it is an active part of any
quoted sentence, even if the writer is expressing their own thoughts, and
not writing what someone else signed - The only way they could sign a quoted
phrase in ASL is to sign the sign for QUOTE - so I think both options are
for writers to do as they feel is best -

Val ;-)

On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Ingvild Roald wrote:

Interesting question. Of course, if you are writing what you would be
signing, writing 'quotation sign' rather that quotation marks would be
correct. But as a more literate style of writing in sign languages, for
articles etc., the quotation marks may be needed. Say I wanted to quote from
soemthing already posted in another posting - this would not be like
presenting in actual signing, but might be examples of how SignWriting might
be spelled or written - then the quotation marks would be better. And then I
observe that as the punctuation symbols are always in the middle lane, the
quotation marks might be in the left lane (start) and the right lane (end),
or that another convention like 'all quotes are in the right lane' or
something like that, might develop. Exiting perspectives ...

Ingvild 

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:39:57 -0800
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Subject: Re: Symbols quotation marks and long pause
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

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February 15, 2012

Hello Madson and everyone -

Thank you for posting this question to the SignWriting List, Madson...

The quotation marks are used sometimes. It depends on the writer, and the
style of your document. For example, the quotation marks are easier to read
when writing signs horizontally. They are symbols that were designed for
horizontal SignWriting and were used years ago in the SignWriter DOS
program.

Quoting what another person signs, inside a document, can be written without
the Quotation Marks
some writers write the actual sign for "quote" at the
beginning of the quoted phrase, and then place a Pause symbol (Comma) at the
end of the quoted phrase - If you are writing the way one signs a quoted
phrase, that would be the most accurate way to write a quote. In that case,
the Quotation Marks are not necessary.

So to answer your question
yes
the Quotation Marks can be used, but are
rarely used. That is why I took them out of the International SignWriting
Alphabet 2010, but, you can construct them if you want to use them, by
finding some diagonal lines in the ISWA and building them yourself
They are
still good symbols that can be used.

The Long Pause can also be constructed and can be as long as you want to
make it. Make the space between the two lines larger or smaller depending on
the length of the pause. The Long Pause is usually used when writing sign
language theatre or sign language songs, when pausing can be different
lengths related to the timing in music.

Meanwhile, the standard Comma or Pause symbol in SignWriting, with a small
amount of space between the two lines, which is pre-constructed for you, is
the symbol most people use for writing sentences

Attached is a screen capture of building a Long Pause in SignPuddle Online,
using SignMaker 
see attached

Val ;-)

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On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:35 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:

Hello!

In older textbooks written signs found two symbols that are not in
SignPuddle:

- quotation marks

- Long pause

They have not yet used in SignWriting?

Regards.

Madson Barreto

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Val ;-)

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