Writing Non Manual Signals

Sun Apr 14 08:42:01 UTC 2013

The three mouths are necessary, I think. The sign definitely starts with a closed mouth, that opens to an 'A', and the shuts, all done fast and forcefully. I, as a hearie, would lipread 'BAM!', but it is not a Norwegian word done on the mouth (as often occurs in NSL), but a non manual/ oral part special to this sign. The sign has no meaning without the mouth movement.

Ingvild 

PS: The idea of just the mouth symbols without the headcircles after the initial one - I like that too. Will try to discuss with Deaf friends

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:42:50 -0700
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting ListApril 13, 2013
I like it too, Ingvild - and I like the way you and Adam are stacking the heads using the head with the open top to make the stack look like one on top of the other -
I do have one question - why the need for three mouth symbols? could you write the same mouth movement with  two symbols instead of three?
It is fine - just curious if the straight mouth is necessary…
Val ;-)
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:I like it. It will be a challenge to teach. I had a task including head nods to indicate sentence breaks in one of the articles I had transcribed.

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--- On Sat, 4/13/13, Ingvild Roald <iroald at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

From: Ingvild Roald <iroald at HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2013, 6:28 PM

Hi all,

I liked the way to stack face circles - now I have retried to write a sign that I did try a while ago to get response to.

This sign is done very fast, and the right hand has some force in the movement. The sign  means something like 'imediately', 'speedily', 'at once', 'suddenly', 'NOW!'.

I wonder if this is readable?

Ingvild 

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:37:12 -0700
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting ListApril 13, 2013
Hi Natasha and Adam and Stefan and all…
I like all the methods shown - and of course your work with Mouth Movements, Stefan is truly wonderful … 
Regarding writing down in vertical columns, I agree that the feeling of the changing mouth movements feels like it should be written down, since the reading of the entire document is going down…and likewise, when reading a document from left to right, writing the changing facial expressions from left to right makes sense for the reading direction…
I like Natasha's writing of the sign for FINISH and Adam's too…it
 is true that when we use the Head symbol with the top off the top of the head, it gives us a way to place one face over the other in an interesting stack - to find that symbol, go to the Heads, and under the first group in Heads is a Head Symbol that does not have the top on, so we can stack more facial features into one Head symbol…Adam used that to superimpose one head on the other in his example below…
And all the Facial Expressions are listed on this page as Adam said:
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/cat_4.html
 - just click on the Group name and it will list all the facial expression and head symbols with names and ID numbers...
Now, below I have placed an idea...this is only an experiment - I have never shared this with anyone before, but what about the idea
 of stacking mouth symbols within one head symbol? It may look ridiculous and I will not mind if you tell me so! (smile)…take a look at this idea attached…the Head Circle without the top on it, would be a requirement so we know we are stacking Facial features…we would know that those are two Mouth Positions stacked within one Head Circle, because the top of the Head circle is not there - this would only work for two positions or maybe three at the most -

It kind of looks silly, but fun to experiment with new ideas - it is a way to consolidate two Facial Circles into one - what do you think?
Val ;-)
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
 wrote:The best page that we have at the moment is http://www.signbank.org/iswa/. This is a page of all of the symbols in the ISWA broken up into categories, groups, and then individual symbols. There is only a short description of each symbol. It isn't the best, but it is thorough.
Now that you mentioned about the mouth movements, I looked at it more closely. I think you want to have the finishing mouth to be protruded open mouth rather than a slightly tighter open mouth, which makes the wrinkles that the lines around represent. In that case, I think the final mouth should be this:

I did a little playing with overlapping the heads and noticed that the overlapping couldn't occur very well without
 covering up the above mouthing symbol. Then I remembered that there were "topless" head circles, so I decided to try it out and see what happens. What do you all think about this?

Adam
On Apr 12, 2013, at 3:42 AM, Natasha Escalada-Westland wrote:Hi Everyone,

I (think) I attached a writing of the sign "finish" with vertical heads.  I like the 
simplicity of showing the initial handshape with movement only.  What do you 
think?

Also, is there a lesson page that describes or shows pictures of all the face and 
mouth symbols available in the SignMaker on SignPuddle?  I'm not sure what some 
of the symbols represent.  There is an older, online set of written lessons I have 
found, but it doesn't include everything available in the SignMaker
 pallette.

Thanks!

Natasha Escalada-Westland

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