Design for SignPuddle 3: parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language

Sun Dec 15 00:26:09 UTC 2013

I think the different signs or facial expressions are all great.  And
social media voting is a great idea.  
I suggest saying "just playing" instead of "reject" or thumbs down or
frownie face. That is less hurtful than "rejected", and maybe it will
make Valerie feel better :).  
Also, I think everyone, not just editors should have the ability to
move their own writing between "just playing" and "provisional". In
other words, "provisional" is a request to the editors and other
signers to look at the sign and see if it looks good to them.  "Just
playing" says "I know I'm learning, and I know this isn't standard, so
please do not critique it."  When you want some feedback, then you
change it to provisional. 
Rachel

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December 14, 2013

Hello Everyone -
If I think that my writing on SignPuddle Online will be judged like
this, I am not so sure I will want to use SignPuddle Online any longer
- It takes the joy out of writing . I certainly would not put my name
in the source...

The thumbs up and down hand symbols upset me just looking at them -
funny how I reacted to it -

So the smiling faces are the best, if you need symbols of approval or
disapproval - I agree with Adam's idea of the facial expressions -

I guess the world is changing around me, and Social Media has changed
a lot of people's thinking - 

I am happy to have new features to help important linguistic projects,
like the SignTyp Project, and it is our pleasure to provide those
special features in the software, and thank you, Steve, for giving us
such flexible software. and if people find this fun and important to
judge the importance of a way to write a sign that is good to have the
new feature...

Just as long as the new features can be turned off, for those who are
not linguists and just want the joy of writing - that will be fine -
Not everyone will want to participate -

The more smiles the better -

Val ;-)

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On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
<mailto:icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> > wrote:

I kind of like the idea if having a "social media" style of voting as
well as having the editors doing the status for two reasons. One, it
makes it so that reasons can be stated as to why one felt one way or
another. Two, it would also give non-editors a chance to be involved
in the status assignments of signs, albeit indirectly. This would make
it so that editors can use the response from users as backing for
their rational for assigning status. Of course there will be some
"spam" ratings just because there will always be people who seem to
like/dislike everything for no apparent reason, so it shouldn't be
used as an end all. What can be? ;-)

I think having the thumbs up/down alone might be opening a can of
worms. I like your suggestion to have it with facial expression, but
what about just having the facial expression? In any case, here are
some that could go with or without the thumb rankings.

<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M18x18S31900
n18xn17S34000n18xn17>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M18x18S33b00
n18xn17S30b00n18xn17>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M18x18S31b00
n18xn17S34300n18xn17> 

Adam

On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Stephen E Slevinski Jr wrote:

On 12/13/13, 4:44 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:
I would suggest that more than one person be involved in
approving/rejecting.  It is always good to have a second set of eyes
look at something-- so I should not be able to instantly approve my
own stuff, but I should also be able to say why I wrote it that way so
someone who spells it differently can't instantly reject it...
That's an interesting idea, but it opens a lot of questions.

Maybe a voting style.  Up or down is the easiest. 

Sideways for non-standard.

Is this rude in any sign language?

Written in SignWriting, we have three simple choices.

It might be nice to include the facial expression for the 3 voting
choices.  If anyone is up to a challenge, can you write 3 signs using
the handshapes above and include the corresponding facial expression?

Any user can vote on any entry and leave a comment.  Every entry will
show the voting tally if it exists.  If people are comfortable
entering their writing skill level and language proficiency on their
user profile page, the voting may show some interesting correlations.

Changing the entry resets the voting, but leaves an audit trail so
that a user can see the previous versions of the entry and any of the
corresponding voting.

Ultimately, an editor of the puddle would have to change the status of
the entry, but depending on the situation, the editor could give it a
thumbs down and leave a comment without changing the provisional
status or the editor could move it to an appropriate puddle.

Status
* provisional
* approved
* non-standard
* rejected

Specifically, I'd like to clean up the ASL Dictionary.  I'd like to be
aggressive with the editing, but I don't want to kill the fun of
SignPuddle or cause anyone any stress.  

I propose to copy the ASL Dictionary to a new puddle named "ASL
Practice".  Starting in 2014, the ASL Dictionary and ASL Practice
would be the same. By the end of the 2014, I'm hoping the ASL
Dictionary will be much improved and I'm hoping that people are
writing and interacting within the ASL Practice.

By convention, voting would be handled differently for the ASL
Dictionary and for ASL Practice.

Normal users have full voting privileges, while editors have more
options.  Instead of down voting a new entry for teacher in the ASL
Dictionary, an editor could move the new entry to the ASL Practice and
up vote the entry leaving a nice message "Nice writing.  I moved this
to practice because the dictionary already had an equivalent sign."

SignPuddle 3 is centered on languages so every sign language can have
multiple puddles.  Each will have the possibility of a dictionary
puddle and a practice puddle.  The existing sign language dictionaries
will be imported and labeled.  Every sign language will start with an
empty practice puddle.  

Thinking out loud,
-Steve
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