All Things Linguistic: SignWriting in ASL

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Mon Mar 4 18:47:49 UTC 2013

I do believe you Maria, and everyone else who has made ANY claim on other systems other than HamNoSys that claim to be "writing systems for ASL," Only SW can claim a history of more than 40 years in more than 40 countries. The si5S system is patently FALSE and his master's thesis should be rejected on incomplete research. 

Charles Butler

chazzer3332000 at


Clear writing moves business forward.

--- On Mon, 3/4/13, MARIA GALEA <maria.azzopardi at UM.EDU.MT> wrote:

From: MARIA GALEA <maria.azzopardi at UM.EDU.MT>
Subject: Re: All Things Linguistic: SignWriting in ASL
Date: Monday, March 4, 2013, 6:56 AM

I can't believe the claims being made about si5s on the website  i think it is very unfair and untrue to say this:

"si5s is the first comprehensive writing system for ASL."
There are documents in SignWriting since the 1970s! and si5s was developed
in 2003.

I really need to locate and read Arnold's MA thesis from Galluadet univ.
can anyone help me get hold of this work? It's called "A Proposal For A
Written System of ASL"

thank you!

> Hmmm, I wonder what would be the best way to do that...
> I need to get back in touch with the James and Judy! They are the ones who
> introduced me to SW :)
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
>> SignWriting List
>> March 2, 2013
>> Yes, the Kegls are actively using SignWriting to continue to write
>> Nicaraguan Sign Language literature - I was just in communication with
>> James Shepard-Kegl and others the other day, about software etc…
>> There are quite a number of documents in SignPuddle for Nicaragua, plus
>> there are around 40 PDFs of literature…on every subject...
>> I need to document all their documents! Maybe you can help me with this
>> Erika - I need a better system for storing everyone's documents online
>> in a place that everyone can upload to themselves…so they don't have to
>> wait for me to do the web site work - I love that kind of work, so it is
>> no problem and I am happy to do it, exceptpt that I am so slow these
>> days -
>> Val ;-)
>> ----
>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Erika <erhoffma at OBERLIN.EDU> wrote:
>>> Just had the conference dinner which included a really nice
>>> conversation about SW - Anne Senghas was recalling having used it in
>>> Judy Kegl's lab and it was fun to hear about how different it was back
>>> then.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:20 PM, "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at MAC.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> March 2, 2013
>>>> Actually I am surprised how many pencil strokes there are in SI5S…if
>>>> their goal is to write less, like a shorthand, this is actually quite
>>>> detailed and takes some time to write by hand (see attached diagram):
>>>> This is SI5S:
>>>> <SI5S.png>

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