signwriting (swml file problem)

Sun May 5 22:07:50 UTC 2013

I am not an expert on it, but I do understand it a little. I will break it down in how I understand it.

M - This is the middle lane. It is possible to have a right lane, which is with an R, and it is possible to have a left lane, which is with an L. It is also possible to start a string with an A, which is for SignSpellingSequence.
518x529 - I believe this is the bounding box size of the sign. The greatest X and Y coordinate where the x splits to two numbers.
S14c20 - This is the symbol key of the first SignWriting symbol. This would be for the 5 hand with a black fill.
481x471 - This is the X and Y coordinate for the previously mentioned symbol.
S27106 - This is the symbol key of the second SignWriting symbol. This would be the right-left-right arrows with the black arrowheads
503x489 - This is the X and Y coordinate for the previously mentioned symbol.

I hope this helps a little. It is also helpful to look at signpuddle.net, signpuddle.org, and signbank.org/iswa for some more information.

Adam

On May 5, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Asmaa Shaban wrote:

> I am asking how the FSW is made Dr Adam?
> 
> From: Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: signwriting (swml file problem)
> 
> Are you asking if M518x529S14c20481x471S27106503x489 is FSW, or are you asking how the FSW is made?
> 
> Adam
> 
> On May 5, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Asmaa Shaban wrote:
> 
>> Greeting  all :
>> In My Graduation Project , i decide to produce project for Deaf People.First , I want to produce this project using Avatar But Now I prefer to produce project similar to SignPuddle Online  for our country Egypt with more word  but i and my team  implement it .So I hope you  to help me .
>> Previous , Dr Stev. told me for Signwriting you used Formal Signwriting( FSW ) and SVG or PNG. 
>> Here i want to know , according to what the   Formal SignWriting for example: M518x529S14c20481x471S27106503x489 is generated ?
>> Thanks Much.
>> Asmaa :)
>> 
>> From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>
>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: signwriting (swml file problem)
>> 
>> SignWriting List
>> May 5, 2013
>> 
>> Asmaa -
>> You told me that you are no longer doing avatar programming? What is your project now? Can you describe it to us? You are a student of programming and you need the metadata for something? What do you need it for now that you are not doing the avatar? Is it for a dictionary database outside of SignPuddle? Please describe your project, since we cannot know how to answer your questions if we do not understand what your task is…Many thanks ;-)
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Asmaa Shaban <eng_asmaashaban at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok thanks Dr Adam , i want to ask about metadata for example  "M528x546S14c18472x463S14c10503x454S2ea18481x511S2ea08513x501S2fd00494x540" , I Put this according to what???
>>> 
>>> From: Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: signwriting (swml file problem)
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that cdt is the created time as in when the entry was created, mdt is the modified time as in when the entry was last modified, and usr is the user who created the entry. In this case, since there was no user signed in, the IP address is recorded instead of the user's name. I hope this helps. Correct me if I am wrong, Steve. ;-)
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2013, at 3:07 AM, Asmaa Shaban wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Greeting Dr Stephen,
>>>> For creating signwriting dictionary of Egypt or XML File , I Put for example:
>>>>  <entry id="2" cdt="1209196489"
>>>>  mdt="1210401228" usr="212.138.39.66"> <term>M528x546S14c18472x463S14c10503x454S2ea18481x511S2ea08513x501S2fd00494x540</term>
>>>>  <term><![ لغة الاشاره]]></term>
>>>> </entry>             This Right??
>>>> But here Dr Stephen , I do not Know what is the mean by cdt , mdt & usr .
>>>> and also how to generate the shape of the sign that its  metadata is "M528x546S14c18472x463S14c10503x454S2ea18481x511S2ea08513x501S2fd00494x540"
>>>> Thanks Much 
>>>> Asmaa Shaban :)
>>>> From: Stephen E Slevinski Jr <slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET>
>>>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: signwriting (swml file problem)
>>>> 
>>>> Greeting Asmaa Shaban,
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/24/13 7:25 PM, Asmaa Shaban wrote:
>>>>> we are students in computer science ,our faculty want from us to make project 
>>>>> about text to sign language.
>>>> 
>>>> SignPuddle Online can convert Arabic text to written sign language using word substitution.
>>>> 
>>>>>  we  want your helping in our project
>>>>> we are making alot of searches
>>>>> we are knowing our project require :_
>>>>> 1- vrml plugin and we installed it
>>>> 
>>>> VRML as in Virtual Reality Modeling Language for 3-d environment?  I've seen a couple working examples using SignWriting for 3-d modeling, but I believe HamNoSys is further along.
>>>> 
>>>>> 2-swml file and it is our problem we do not understand how to parse and insert it 
>>>>> in relational database
>>>> Valerie is correct.  We no longer use SWML.  For each sign, rather than XML markup we are using word strings in ASCII, called Formal SignWriting (FSW).
>>>> 
>>>> Consider this sign.
>>>> 
>>>> Formal SignWriting: M518x529S14c20481x471S27106503x489
>>>> 
>>>> Equivalent SWML:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You can find the details of Formal SignWriting in draft-slevinski-signwriting-text.
>>>> 
>>>> Each dictionary in SignPuddle Online is available as an XML file.  Here is the source file for Saudi Arabia:
>>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/data/spml/sgn40.spml
>>>> 
>>>> This XML files cross references the Arabic text with the written sign language.
>>>> 
>>>>> 3-how SVG use swml file for producing gif format ?
>>>> Rather than SWML, we use Formal SignWriting.
>>>> 
>>>> Rather than GIF, we use PNG or SVG.
>>>> 
>>>> Using the "SignWriting Icon Server" (SWIS), you can create the SVG or PNG from the Formal SignWriting.  You can use the public SWIS on Wikimedia Labs or you can install your own with the source from Github.
>>>> 
>>>> For the SVG, use a link like this:
>>>> http://swis.wmflabs.org/glyphogram.php?font=svg&text=M518x529S14c20481x471S27106503x489
>>>> 
>>>> For the PNG, use a link like this:
>>>> http://swis.wmflabs.org/glyphogram.php?font=png&text=M518x529S14c20481x471S27106503x489
>>>> 
>>>> For the relational database, there is no reason to divide the Formal SignWriting.  Put the Arabic text in one field " الغة الاشرة" and put the Formal SignWriting in another field " M528x546S14c18472x463S14c10503x454S2ea18481x511S2ea08513x501S2fd00494x540".
>>>> 
>>>>> and seriously thanks alot :)
>>>> 
>>>> Sure.  Hope I am able to help.  Ask questions and keep us informed.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> ∼Steve
>>>> 
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