# Elbow movement and some details

Adam Frost icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Tue May 14 15:01:01 UTC 2013

```I, personally would see 1, 2, and 3 as loops because the movement is in a "line" or all on one plane, the wall or the floor for example. Spirals have a circular movement that travels rather than staying stationary. That would be like #4. The current ISWA does not have this same movement forward, so it has to be constructed. Here is my attempt.

Would this work for you Honza?

On May 14, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> May 14, 2013
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> For me, the term Spiral means a traveling circle…
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> Here are the three Spirals in the ISWA 2010:
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> 1. Spiral Traveling Up parallel with the Wall Plane
> 2. Spiral Traveling Forward parallel with the Floor Plane
> 3. Spiral Traveling to the Side parallel with the Floor Plane
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> Then there is a fourth symbol:
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> Other than these four symbols, you will need to write a separate Circle symbol and combine it with other arrows, if you want something that is different than these pre-composed symbols -
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> So I am curious…what do other Spirals look like?
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> Val ;-)
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> On May 14, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote:
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>> 1 - I mean the elbow movement you can see in attached video.
>> 4 - Adam, you are right, I mean forward spiral movement, that is different from the movement Val shown.
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>> Thanks
>> Honza
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>> On 13 May 2013 17:58, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here are some replies from me below.
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>> On May 13, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Honza wrote:
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>>> Hello Val,
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>>> I have some specific question:
>>> Is there way how to write down movement of an elbow? Maybe it is possible to use some "neutral" arrows for that somehow.
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>> What type of movement of the elbow are you talking about? Can you show us what you mean?
>>> As you know, in Puddle there are two rub symbols. One "left" and one "right". Is there any difference in the direction of movements?
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>> I guess in theory you could say there is a difference following the rotation of the curl, but most people don't really pay attention to that detail and only choice one.
>>> I am not sure about using (( alternating lines. I don't see any way where this can be useful, due all information are included in movement arrows.
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>> You are absolutely correct. That is the reason that I don't usually use most of the timing symbols because the movement arrows already tell me that information, but there are some people who feel that repetition of information is needed and therefore use it.
>>> Is there easy way how to write down circular+forward movement?
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>> I know that Val replied already, but are you talking about a forward looping movement (which would be what Val showed) or are you talking about a forward spiral movement?
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>>> Thank you.
>>> Honza
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