Sign puddle online does not translate existing words

Wed Oct 2 22:29:30 UTC 2013

Hi Andre,
    When exporting from SignWriter Studio to Sign Puddle there is no way 
to directly to a SignMaker entry. This is a limitation of SignPuddle. I 
have run into this limitation myself personally trying to add and modify 
sign to the puddle from SignWriter Studio. SignPuddle doesn't yet have 
adequate import/export or synching capabilities.   I have written to 
Steve about it but he hasn't been able to make it a priority yet.
If you just have a few signs then this is they way to do it.

 1. In SignWriter Studio when positioned on the sign, click
    Edit/Copy/Copy Sign to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C.  It shows
    the sign in SignPuddle in your browser.
 2. Click on the puddle you want to save to.
 3. In Terms type "temp"
 4. Click Add
 5. Click Copy Sign From SignText
 6. Click Copy Sign
 7. Click on SignPuddle you want to save to
 8. In Terms type in the term for the sign
 9. Click Add
10. Click on Search by Words or Search by Signs
11. In Terms and Titles type "temp"
12. Click on temp
13. Click Delete Entry
14. Click Delete Entry

Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export to an SPML file if he can 
add them for you.

I hope his helps

Regards,
Jonathan

On 10/2/2013 11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> October 2, 2013
>
> Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -
>
> No worries everyone. Thank you for your messages. And thank you for 
> bringing this issue up, which as far as I know, from my experience, is 
> specific between the two programs: SignWriter Studio and SignPuddle. I 
> noticed this issue myself a long time ago and did mention it once to 
> Jonathan, but there is so much to do it got sidetracked. It seems that 
> exporting signs from the SignWriter Studio dictionary end up as 
> SignText in SignPuddle instead of dictionary entries…so the signs are 
> not made with SignMaker, but instead with SignWriter Studio's 
> dictionary, but they need to end up as the equivalent to signs made 
> with SignMaker… not as SignText …so we need both Jonathan's and 
> Steve's help with this one -
>
> Thank you, Andre, by the way, for your documents - they are charming! 
> And thank you for pointing this out to us -
>
> Val ;-)
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM 
> <mailto:chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>> wrote:
>
>> IF this does not work from a compatible program then the 
>> compatibility program of the major SignWriting programs need to all 
>> be made compatible. I know that this is a challenge, but making a new 
>> signwriting translator without a compatibility check seems a little 
>> futile. If the main database can't retrieve the words, then the point 
>> of Open Source is not being fulfilled.
>>
>> To do Open Source means that all output from a given input must be 
>> compatible to the central databank, in the case, SignBank, 
>> SignPuddle, and all of those others created.
>>
>> Is it not part of the spec of importing signs? Is there not a command 
>> to say "which of the following compatible programs are you using to 
>> import to SignPuddle?" "have you contact Steve Slevinski to ensure 
>> that the program will in fact import your signs in a form that is 
>> acceptable to the data retrieval function."
>>
>> Else, it is a very large learning curve.
>> Charles Butler
>> chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
>> 240-764-5748
>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Stephen E Slevinski Jr <slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET 
>> <mailto:slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET>>
>> *To:* SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
>> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/13 11:37 AM, André L wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Many of the words I entered in sign puddle using sign studio are not 
>>> displayed in the translate feature.
>>> Only the words are displayed without sign.
>>> However, with a seach on the same words, the sign is displayed.
>> Hi Andre,
>>
>> The translate feature works with individual signs that were created 
>> in SignMaker.
>>
>> The translate feature does not work with sign texts that were created 
>> with SignText.
>>
>> Looking at the "assis" entry:
>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400
>>
>>
>>
>> The sign is boxed and a lower font size.  This indicates it was 
>> created with SignText.  Under the "Source", you can see the "SignText 
>> data" links.  This sign will not work in the current translate.
>>
>> Here is "assistant" in the same dictionary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notice that it is not boxed and a larger font size.  This indicates 
>> is was created with SignMaker.  Under the "Search.." links, you can 
>> see the "Sign data" links.  This sign will work in translate.
>>
>>
>> So that's the problem.  You say you created this with "sign studio".  
>> Are you talking about Jonathan's SignWriter Studio?  Or did you use 
>> SignText?
>>
>> The solution is to move the signs from the sign text area to 
>> individual signs.  I'm not sure the best way to do this.
>>
>> How many entries are like this?
>>
>> Regards,
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