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September 29, 2013

Hello Trevor -
I am glad to know you like the footer, Trevor.

It is a pleasure to hear from you again after so many years. I am grateful to you, that you have archived all the SignWriting List messages for so many years on your email programs and computers. In the past, we lost some Archives (a section of Archive 4) because they changed the SignWriting List to a new server at Valencia College years ago, and in the process of that move, a portion of Archive 4 was lost. We were lucky that the SignWriting List was being mirrored on another separate web site called LinguistList.org, which is our Archive 3…so the lost messages in Archive 4 fortunately were not lost in Archive 3. But nonetheless, I worry sometimes…what would happen if LinguistList.org stopped serving the world? So many important Lists would lose their Archives…including ours:

SignWriting List Archives
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/

So to know you have a backup, Trevor, of all the messages from way back, is a good feeling. May I ask, how much work would it be for you to bundle all the archived messages you have, and send them to me privately at sutton at signwriting.org ? Is that even possible?

I do not want to burden you, but this would be really cool - If your Archives are really going back to 1999, and it was not hard to send them to me, I could re-post them as Archive 5 in the SignWriting List Archives, on our web site, and that would preserve them on our site no matter what other sites do in the future...

If I am opening a can or worms to ask you for this, then just say "no" - Technology is always harder than it sounds at first thought - If there are any costs, please tell me -

Is there anyone else who has been saving SignWriting List messages all these years and feels it would be easy enough to bundle them and send them to me? 

Val ;-)
sutton at signwriting.org

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On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Trevor Jenkins <bslwannabe at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I'm grateful you made it a footer. A couple of other linguistic/language-realated lists I'm subscribe use headers and I have to scroll half-way down the page before the actual content is visible.
> 
> Being "old school" and well just old I remember when emailers showed more of the headers lines with a message than is done today. GMail only shows sender and recipient, date and time, and Subject. Apple Mail gives slightly more by default and the recipient can request more of those hidden lines to be displayed. I checked the headers line on your email and the following lines are included:
> List-Help: <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=SW-L>,
>  <mailto:LISTSERV at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU?body=INFO%20SW-L>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:SW-L-unsubscribe-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> List-Subscribe: <mailto:SW-L-subscribe-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> List-Owner: <mailto:SW-L-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> List-Archive: <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=SW-L>
> But I had to get GMail to show me that by using the "Show Original" option. 
> 
> I have access to archives. Not only the one mentioned in the standard header or the one mentioned in your footer but the one that GMail keeps for me–I don't delete messages from this list. There is a second archive on one of my Linux machines when I was subscribed under a different email address. There might even be some earlier messages stored on an ancient neglected Windows 3.1 machine I used until 1999. ;-)
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> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> September 27, 2013
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> Hello Trevor and Stefan -
> Regarding the footer, or banner below, I didn't realize that some software hides those automatically - maybe that is why Kim never saw the banner on her device - It seems that it all depends on the software you are using to view your email, as to how you receive your messages…and that varies greatly from member to member -
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> The only reason I added this footer is that others complained that they couldn't find the SignWriting List Archives or they couldn't remember how to change their own List settings and so forth, so that is why I decided to do this…if it is a burden over time, for most of you, I can always take it away completely …let's leave it for awhile and see how it goes -
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> Do any of you access the Archives? We have four of them…
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> SignWriting List Archives
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
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> (or see the banner below) ha!
> 
> Now, I am so sorry you are having frustrations with viewing your own posts, Stefan - I am not having that problem personally and I suspect, since it is happening to you with all of the three email addresses you have on the List, that it has something more to do with how your computer or your email software is reacting the List messages - could your email be placing your posts in your Spam filter? the question is why…
> 
> Can you change email software,, Stefan? Use googlemail on the web for example to see if you can see your own posts there?
> 
> but I will telephone Valencia College today to ask them if they know what might be happening -
> 
> Thank you everyone!
> 
> Val ;-)
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> On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 AM, Trevor Jenkins <bslwannabe at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> Haven't posted in ages, so no idea if my posts will come back to me. But then I use GMail and that has always threaded up my messages sent to the list with messages sent from the list.
>> 
>> GMail also hides the footer by default letting me look at it when I want/need to. What is appended now looks just the same as it always did.
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>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Valerie,
>> 
>> I`m sorry - but I don´t get the copies of my own postings.
>> I will send this message from another as well and let us see what happens.
>> 
>> Stefan
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> Regards, Trevor.
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