AW: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting

Tue Apr 1 01:57:41 UTC 2014

Thank you all for your replies on SpeechWriting.
It is a great subject.
André Lemyre

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 22:05:25 +0200
From: stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM
Subject: AW: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

Hi Valerie, André and friends... 

First of all – well it makes perfectly sense
to use this “set of  speechwriting-symbols” in a in standardized form ... and I will do my
best to inform you about this – smile 

As you know I put so much energy into this “Speech
Writing” development it at school it is such a brilliant support for deaf
students to achieve  a higher level of spoken language  skills... 

Additional to that – once again  I have to
ring the alarm bell. Bimmel bimmel bimmel !    There is a big misunderstanding
André  -  in fact there are two different systems about writing what the mouth,
the tongue, the lips, the teeth are doing ... and they should be kept apart and
not mixed up. The chart you showed with the foto of a “speaking boy”
has a focus  on pronounciation – 

Speechwriting within the context of SignWriting is
a different subject!

Attached you find a nice animation: The experienced
German SignWriting reader should be able  to read the mouth-movements as “
Name Gebärde was?”  Along with the information coming from th hands it is
so easy to understand – smile. The signer signs: “What is your namesign” 
or “What is your signname?”

So please hold a minute and do not start to mix up
or merge or whatever until I git the chance to explain in detail. 

Hi Valerie – of course it is my plan to
contribute in your “call for paper-project” and I should be able to
send the draft seventeen seconds ahead of the deadline ...

What really makes me feel happy is the fact, that
our delegs project continues – so there is a good chance to improve our
Delegs-Editor... big smile ... 

All best 

Stefan   

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Auftrag von André L

Gesendet: Montag, 31. März 2014
18:52

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SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

Betreff: Re: Help with mouth and
teeth symbols and SpeechWriting

Thanks,

I am merging the 2 lists of Stefan,

The new list will contain photos and example of words.

The photos are a great Rosetta Stone to build on.

The table is so complete that is seems it may encompass French and other
languages.

To officialise the symbols of Stefan, we could simply add them in SignPuddle or
create an import file for SignWriter Studio.  Then they could be copied
and paste, added in "Favorite" tab...

 André Lemyre

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:39:08 -0700

From: signwriting at MAC.COM

Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting

To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting List

March 31, 2014

Hello André and Stefan -

Many thanks to you both for all you are doing...

A side note:  Stefan - there is no rush on anything -
we all know how busy you are and take your time on everything - your health is
more important than anything - I don’t believe in stress ;-))

To answer your question, André (the best I can) -

Of course, Stefan is the official developer of Woehrmann’s
SpeechWriting and whatever he deems “official” is what matters,
since without Stefan, SpeechWriting would not exist…So I respect what
Stefan chooses…

As far as incorporating some of the new symbols used in
SpeechWriting, into the list of SignWriting symbols in a future version of the
ISWA…for writing sign language mouth movements…I do not know if
that is necessary or not…but again Stefan and other signwriters need to
tell us if that is needed...

The ISWA 2010 is a standard symbol set that is built into
modern software and any additional symbols (and there will always be more
symbols people will want added) could possibly be added into the software with
special programming, like a symbol addendum, but we do not plan to do a new
version of the ISWA itself until 2020…or maybe never… The ISWA 2010
seems to be working well…because people can construct other symbols if
they need them -

Meanwhile Stefan is writing with SpeechWriting using
current software, so I am assuming the extra symbols can be constructed with
little lines etc inside SignPuddle and Delegs software…I think that is
wonderful and brilliant - thank you, Stefan!

So to answer your question - The SpeechWriting symbols
used as Stefan will show us, are official for SpeechWriting. SignWriting for
writing sign language mouth movements does not list the extra symbols at this
time, but they could be used if people want to construct them -

Val ;-)

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On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:07 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca> wrote:

Wow,

this is great, the second link is very complete.

This will keep me busy for the week.

Thanks

PS: how do we proceed with extras added symbols which Stefan developed ?

Are they considered as official?

André Lemyre

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:30:17 -0700

From: signwriting at MAC.COM

Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting

To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting List

March 30, 2014

Hello André!

Of course, Stefan Woehrmann is the developer of
SpeechWriting so he is the one to talk to about this, but here are some links:

http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/mundbild_lesen_lernen001.htm

http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%C3%9Cbersicht%20Mundbilder

As you know, it is called Mundbildschrift in German -

Stefan used the Mouth symbols in SignWriting to create a
standardized way of writing the way speech looks on the mouth - so when you
memorize the symbols and what they represent, people can mouth the words - 

So the above web pages list the standard way of writing
each sound on the mouth - using the SignWriting mouth symbols plus a few extras
added symbols which Stefan developed -

Feel free to correct me, Stefan…we really need you
to explain this well -

Val ;-)

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On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:32 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA> wrote:

Hello,

I need information about how to represent the visible aspect of speech. 
Which are the SignWriting symbols that should be used to represent what a deaf
person can read on lips.

I need to develop a correspondance that would integrate SpeechWriting in
SignWriting animations.

I know there are many symbols but their respective purpose is unclear to me.

If anyone has any information on this matter, even if it is incomplete or in a
draft form, it would help me greatly.

Thanks

André Lemyre

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