Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

Thu Aug 14 04:38:46 UTC 2014

This email is EXACTLY it, my friends. Working out a spelling sequence to the last detail will take some time. I tried to use examples in the introduction to show you where little things lead to larger implications. 

Charles Butler
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 From: Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Stephen E Slevinski Jr wrote:

On 8/12/14, 3:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:

Hi Charles,
    I enjoyed your symposium “Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html
 I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find you a solution.  Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would have an easy way for you to do your sorting.

There are 2 different issues involved here: the sorting mechanics
      and the sorting theory.

Sorting Mechanics
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The mechanics are simple.  A linear ordered sequence of symbols
      can be assigned to any sign.  The symbols automatically sort
      according to the ISWA 2010 default order using a binary string
      comparison.  In our programs we can use > greater than or <
      less than comparisons.  From a database, we can use a simple
      "order by" clause.

For each symbol, there are 2 kinds of mechanical sorting.  The
      major sorting between symbols and the minor sorting within symbol
      bases.

For the major sorting between symbols, the list below is sorted by
      the default ISWA 2010 order.  Order other than this are possible,
      but require an additional step of creating a custom ordering of
      the symbols.  Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been
      implemented.  Unicode has a way to reorder the major sorting
      issues involving special weights for each symbol base.

For the minor sorting within the symbols, the default order starts
      with Fill 1 and Rotation 1.  Next is Fill 1 with Rotation 2, then
      the rest of the rotations for Fill 1.  After that are the symbols
      with Fill 2.  Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been
      implemented.  This may be an issue when the default ISWA 2010
      order is not the desired order.  
This is what I got from Charles talk too.  

Unicode may possibly have a way to reorder the minor sorting, but I'm not sure.
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>Sorting Theory
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>For sorting, the linear ordered list of symbols can be created
      using any writing symbols and any detailed location symbols.
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>Creating the special sorting requires crafting a special sequence.
>
>If I understood Charles correctly, he would want to use Head Rims.
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>Head Rims have a default sort order of the following...
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>So the first symbol in the ordered sequence would be the dominant
      hand shape.  The next would be the appropriate Head Rim.  The
      third symbol would be the non-dominant hand.
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This is interesting.  I hope Charles will be able to elaborate a little more how he is ordering the sequence and whether he hopes it can be done automatically or if we have to do it manually.

Regards,
Jonathan

>Regards,
>-Steve
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