Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
August 20, 2014

Hello Ingvild!
I miss seeing you. I remember you helped us with the sorting of dictionaries. Do you remember that conversation we had a very long time ago? I told you that there were some signs that started with Movement Symbols, and that I assumed the SignSpelling would therefore start with a Movement Symbol, and you explained to me (very wisely) that signers need to start the SignSpelling with the beginning hand symbols, even if the writer’s “writing sequence” was different.

So thank you for your good advice, Ingvild - 

And you all can see Ingvild’s influence in the SignSpelling Guidelines...

The cluster of symbols may be written in different “writing sequences of pen strokes" depending on the writer…but the end result is what matters …and once the end result is written and completed, the cluster (or sign) is sorted by Beginning Hand Syllable, Movement Syllable, Ending Hand Syllable and so forth, and then Location Syllable... because people do not want to look up under Heads, or Shoulders - they look up a sign by Hands, as Ingvild told us…

This was a big surprise to me in the beginning, and there are still some issues to be solved…but generally, for me anyway, the Syllables seem to be working…

I am glad you have been watching the SignWriting Symposium videos, Ingvild, and that you are enjoying them ;-)

And I think SignBank will come back - SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio are needed because they give us the Sign Editors that make it possible to write the signs and write documents, and they can also provide us with equivalents, or at least some of the features, that SignBank gave us, but if the two programs can also give us a way to export signs and then import those signs into SignBank, using the ISWA 2010, then we can have SignBank Databases back, and I hope to do that in time -

Thank you again, Ingvild - and let’s keep in touch -

Val ;-)

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On Aug 19, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Ingvild Roald <iroald at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I for one woul love to have the Sign Bank back - but I guess it is too much to ask for. The capability to have a dictionary with more than one sin language - and/or more than one spoken language ... But for now, the SignPudle is great. And the two step process for sorting and ordering is really neccessary
> 
> Loved the seminar,
> 
> Not quite finished viewing it yet though, 
> 
> Ingvild
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad

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> Den 19. aug. 2014 kl. 21:55 skrev "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at MAC.COM>:
> 
>> SignWriting List
>> August 18, 2014
>> 
>> Here is a picture of some of the features of SignBank, which requires that the signs are written in another program like SignPuddle or SignWriter Studio, and then imported into the SignBank database, that is designed inside FileMaker database software.
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>> Through developing SignBank, and working with so many great people, we learned that it really is necessary to have two sections to the process of sorting dictionaries:
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>> 1. Each sign needs a SignSpelling Sequence established by the writer
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>> 2. Then the SignSpelling Sequences are sorted by the “alphabetical order” of the symbols of the ISWA 2010…
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>> Without those two processes, we cannot get a dictionary sorted by Sign Symbols that really works for users -
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>> Of course both SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio, and other programs too, can do this without our old SignBank database, but SignBank is also a cool little program and could be updated and completed and be a valuable tool for teachers - 
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>> So I learned a lot from SignBank, trying to create PDFs of dictionaries sorted by Sign Symbols - I was surprised at the results of some choices - more soon -
>> 
>> Val ;-)


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