[Sw-l] Stokoe System ... was: Questions about Head movement symbols

Wed Dec 17 07:32:29 UTC 2014

Hi Valerie, André, Adam, 

I am reading your posts about head movement. Hi Valerie, Your explanation is
excellent as always  thank you very much for that. If you look for these
signs in the SignPuddle dictionary of different countries we almost find no
entries with these symbols.  Part of the reason may be that most of the
signs can be understood without this additional description of a sign. On
the other hand most of the SignWriting readers would not remember the
meaning ... moving the head (yes/no  and left/right) is no problem and very
often sufficient 

Nevertheless – especially for mimewriting or theater or ... pantomime or
detailed writing it is good to have these symbols. 

I am happy to read a message on our list after a long period of silence.
Well I guess that most of us are busy, busy, busy with so many other
projects as always – 

All best to all of you 

Stefan

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Betreff: Stokoe System ... was: Questions about Head movement symbols

Hello André,

The Stokoe Notation System is really a linguistic notation system that isn’t
even used that much by linguist that much. And it doesn’t even have a way to
write the head movements that you were just asking about. In fact, there are
a lot of things that don’t really have a correlation between the two. I
honestly thing that the comparison that Valerie showed is really good to
show how the two are for two different purposes.

Adam

On Dec 16, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:

SignWriting List

December 16, 2014

Hi André -

I guess I could make a little video showing the head movements if you would
like. I will try to do that in the next few days

The D. movement is hard to explain with words - hmmm - think of your ear
touching your shoulder on one side (stretching the side of the neck on the
other side) and then the other ear touching your shoulder on the other side
and so on
while you are still looking forward your head tilts (does not
turn)

I think a little video will be better -

Anyway - I do not know the Stokoe system. I do not know how much it is used.
Other people will need to tell you that

I don't believe that the Stokoe system is used to write sign language
literature, but ask others
 there may not be an exact correlation between
the two systems - at least not for everything -

We already have some good documents on comparing Stokoe and SignWriting:

A Linguistic Comparison Between Stokoe Notation and Sutton SignWriting

By Joe Martin

http://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling008.html

PDF of the above

http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0032-Stokoe-Sutton.pdf

and this article

http://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling001.html

Thank you, Joe Martin, for these excellent documents -

Val ;-)

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On Dec 16, 2014, at 8:52 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA> wrote:

Thank you very much for the help.

I did not understand your English for D.  Is it a forward-backward movement
or left-right movement?

D. this is the MOVEMENT of titling back and forth - the face remains looking
forward but the head tilts at the ears back and forth side to side

The illustration is not mine :( it is from a university LSQ grammar book I
am translating to SignWriting notation to attract new sign writers.

Do you think it would be interesting to have a complete correspondance guide
between Stokoe and SignWriting to attract new sign writers?  Is Stokoe
notation used?

André Lemyre

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:42:55 -0800
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Questions about Head movement symbols
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting List

December 16, 2014

Referring to the attached diagram
A - F

A. represents the movement of tilting your head so your nose is at a
slant
but it is the MOVEMENT of moving into that tilted position, so it is
the movement of tilting - you are still looking straight front but tilting
the ear over to one side

B. This is a Face Direction Line showing the static position of the nose
directed at a tilt but also the nose is directed up too - so it is an upward
tilted position

C. This is a movement of the nose going in the direction of the arc
finishing at the arrowhead.

D. this is the MOVEMENT of titling back and forth - the face remains looking
forward but the head tilts at the ears back and forth side to side

E. this is a MOVEMENT of TILT-TILT to one side - a double movement

F. This is a static position - it is a Face Direction Line, showing the
direction of the nose, looking down and over to one side

As far as writing the position in the picture - F is actually pretty close
except it should be flopped because we are writing Expressive so from our
own point of view, the person is looking over her right shoulder

The person in the picture is not tilting, because a tilt is still looking
front. She has turned her nose to the right and then down so F is a good one
for that..

Another issue is eyegaze - sometimes writing eyegaze says a lot to give the
feeling of a sign -

Val ;-)

PS. Nice illustration ;-)

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On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:45 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA> wrote:

 Hello,

I try to write the symbol for the chin almost touching the shoulder.  Which
symbols should I use as a static position and as a movement?
Also,  I would like to know the difference between the following symbols
from a to f.

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Thanks

André lemyre

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