[Sw-l] Stokoe System ... was: Questions about Head movement symbols

Wed Dec 17 17:10:57 UTC 2014

Hello Valerie,
your explanation about the ear touching the shoulder is fine.  I do not need a video.

 Thank you Adam, if Stokoe is not used by linguists, there is no point to make a document explaining how to pass from Stokoe notation to SignWriting.
My idea is to see how we may reach more people...

Andre Lemyre
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:32:19 -0800
From: icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Subject: Stokoe System ... was: Questions about Head movement symbols
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

Hello André,
The Stokoe Notation System is really a linguistic notation system that isn’t even used that much by linguist that much. And it doesn’t even have a way to write the head movements that you were just asking about. In fact, there are a lot of things that don’t really have a correlation between the two. I honestly thing that the comparison that Valerie showed is really good to show how the two are for two different purposes.
Adam
On Dec 16, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:SignWriting ListDecember 16, 2014
Hi André -I guess I could make a little video showing the head movements if you would like. I will try to do that in the next few days…
The D. movement is hard to explain with words - hmmm - think of your ear touching your shoulder on one side (stretching the side of the neck on the other side) and then the other ear touching your shoulder on the other side and so on…while you are still looking forward your head tilts (does not turn)…
I think a little video will be better -
Anyway - I do not know the Stokoe system. I do not know how much it is used. Other people will need to tell you that…
I don't believe that the Stokoe system is used to write sign language literature, but ask others… there may not be an exact correlation between the two systems - at least not for everything -
We already have some good documents on comparing Stokoe and SignWriting:
A Linguistic Comparison Between Stokoe Notation and Sutton SignWritingBy Joe Martinhttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling008.html
PDF of the abovehttp://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0032-Stokoe-Sutton.pdf
and this articlehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/linguistics/ling001.html
Thank you, Joe Martin, for these excellent documents -
Val ;-)
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On Dec 16, 2014, at 8:52 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA> wrote:Thank you very much for the help.

I did not understand your English for D.  Is it a forward-backward movement or left-right movement?

D. this is the MOVEMENT of titling back and forth - the face remains looking forward but the head tilts at the ears back and forth side to side

The illustration is not mine :( it is from a university LSQ grammar book I am translating to SignWriting notation to attract new sign writers.

Do you think it would be interesting to have a complete correspondance guide between Stokoe and SignWriting to attract new sign writers?  Is Stokoe notation used?

André Lemyre

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:42:55 -0800
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Questions about Head movement symbols
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting ListDecember 16, 2014
Referring to the attached diagram…A - F
A. represents the movement of tilting your head so your nose is at a slant…but it is the MOVEMENT of moving into that tilted position, so it is the movement of tilting - you are still looking straight front but tilting the ear over to one side
B. This is a Face Direction Line showing the static position of the nose directed at a tilt but also the nose is directed up too - so it is an upward tilted position
C. This is a movement of the nose going in the direction of the arc finishing at the arrowhead.
D. this is the MOVEMENT of titling back and forth - the face remains looking forward but the head tilts at the ears back and forth side to side
E. this is a MOVEMENT of TILT-TILT to one side - a double movement
F. This is a static position - it is a Face Direction Line, showing the direction of the nose, looking down and over to one side
As far as writing the position in the picture - F is actually pretty close except it should be flopped because we are writing Expressive so from our own point of view, the person is looking over her right shoulder…
The person in the picture is not tilting, because a tilt is still looking front. She has turned her nose to the right and then down so F is a good one for that..
Another issue is eyegaze - sometimes writing eyegaze says a lot to give the feeling of a sign -
Val ;-)
PS. Nice illustration ;-)
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On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:45 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA> wrote: Hello,

I try to write the symbol for the chin almost touching the shoulder.  Which symbols should I use as a static position and as a movement?
Also,  I would like to know the difference between the following symbols from a to f.

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Thanks

André lemyre

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