Animations to teach signwriting
Jonathan Duncan
duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Thu Jan 9 13:42:43 UTC 2014
Hi Andre,
One of the great chanllenges of using the current software for
animated GIFs is lining up one frame with the next.
Your idea of all frames having head, is a good idea for a center, but if
each GIF frame is a different size it will only be a little help for
aligning them. A solution with a fixed width and height per animation
would be better (it could be different from one animation to another).
I was thinking on way would be to make a vertical line and a horizontal
line in the SignWriting as a reference. It would be have to be big
enough to fit all the animation we would want to write. All frames would
come out the same size and everything would be referent (centered) to
these lines.
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The down side is that you would have to manually take out the lines
afterwards frame by frame.
Or
In SignWriter Studio these lines could even be white just like the
background. (Sorry no support for transparencies in SignWriter Studio
at this time). Then with a graphics program that does transparencies
change the white to transparent. Just don't use the same white (maybe
an offwhite) for the hands as for the background and the lines.
Jonathan
On 1/8/2014 12:02 PM, André L wrote:
> Such an editor would take existing signs and allow manipulating them.
> Example: Selecting a vertical hand would allow to puting it horizontal
> to illustrate a rotation...
>
> Such software should not be coded too soon. People need to explore the
> possibilities. The proof of concept is starting.
>
> This is my current process.
> 1- Import a dictionary in sign writer studio.
> 2- Select a sign.
> 3-Create a copy of the sign.
> 4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to duplicate or reposition.
> 5-If necessary add a head. This defines where the hands will be located.
> 6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio in pain.
> 7-Resize the paint display.
> -----transparency setting would come here----
> 8-Create several copies of the written sign.
> 9-Edit each file with the same name and a counter (file 0 is the
> original written sign with extra transition symbols). The head is my
> origin. It should not move.
> 10-Feed the files in a gif animator.
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:43:06 -0800
> From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> Yes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated Signwriting
> Creator" software where it automatically set up rules and grids
> template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to follow to prevent
> errors. And capacity to format transparent background
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
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> *From: * André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
> *To: * <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
> *Subject: * Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent: * Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM
>
> I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an
> habit in some future. The need cannot be delayed, we would have to
> redo much work.
>
> The template window frame for the gif may be big. We must allow the
> character to extend left and right arms. That would make a huge white
> square on top of a video. Transparency would hide less of the content.
> Another example would be animated cartoons.
>
> André Lemyre
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800
> From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> Andre Lemyre
>
> There are several reasons why transparent background is needed but it
> is not required. One of examples, if I want to put animated
> signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent
> background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors
> inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to
> modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
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> *From: * André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
> *To: * <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
> *Subject: * Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent: * Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:57 PM
>
> Do you have an example of a need to overlay a sign to something else?
> I think that I saw a free gif animator 10 years ago that supported
> transparent beackground.
> I will do a research.
>
> André Lemyre
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:03:14 -0800
> From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> Hello
>
> I understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent
> backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely transparent
> background because it's able to overlays anything without modification.
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
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> *From: * André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
> *To: * <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
> *Subject: * Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent: * Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:23:30 AM
>
> Hello,
> I agree with a reserve.
> We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain
> white if we display the animation on a coloured background. Also, in
> my first attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not support
> transparent background. Considering that dictionnaries have between
> 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several contributors, we need to
> ensure ease of creation to make this project grow. Standards will be
> important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a better way to
> proceed.
>
> Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an avatar
> that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation. I would start with
> Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.
> http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf
> http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html
>
> Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the avatar
> does in an automated manner. The avatar may be able to write the gif
> animations in an automated manner on a large scale. I such scenario
> would happen, our best input may become to increase the dictionnaries
> size to "feed" the avatar or to help it with directional words
> (example: I give you, you give me).
> Concertation will be important before going any further.
> André Lemyre
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800
> From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> I also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the animated
> dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I
> would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have transparent
> backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat entire dictionary
> in future use.
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
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> *From: * André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
> *To: * <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
> *Subject: * Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent: * Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM
>
> Hello Jonathan and Valerie,
>
> I would prefer to have the animations with the regular dictionaries ,
> just like the optional illustration or video but distinct.
> In a distant future, the translate feature could concatenate the
> animations in long stories.
>
> I will spend some time preparing samples of animations to see how
> symbols could be used (good and bad examples). I will provide several
> alternatives for people to compare. I will make a document to open a
> discussion establish some standards (not my personal preferences). We
> do not want an animation of several words being misaligned, shrinking
> and growing with blinking fuzzy heads with several file formats and
> resolution.
>
> We will need the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers,
> SignWriters, children and teenagers for an acceptance test. Speed
> will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent signwriters to
> prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while beginners will be
> lost.
>
> André Lemyre
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800
> From: signwriting at MAC.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> SignWriting List
> January 6, 2014
>
> Thank you, Jonathan!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ——
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Val,
> With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be
> able to store and display animated GIFs. Sounds like an exciting
> project!! :-)
> I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have
> the animations.
> Jonathan
>
> On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
> SignWriting List
> January 6, 2014
>
> Hello André!
> Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint -
> It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated GIFs.
> It looks great!
>
> I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an
> educational tool…I think others agree too -
>
> Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a new
> project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?
>
> Take a look at this web page:
>
> http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/
>
> It is a simple page that shows the sign written in
> SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated
> version of it…
>
> We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated
> SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature idea…
>
> It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or any
> pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-)
>
> Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save
> them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...
>
> The project could be done for any sign language, and
> essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated signs -
>
> And that brings up the next question….Steve and Jonathan…could
> SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store animated GIFs?
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -------
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Animations might be an intuitive way to teach signwriting
> to deaf children.
> It uses their knowledge of sign language.
> The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer to
> their experience.
> There are less symbols to read at once.
> It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on paper.
> A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during the
> class.
> It is possible to create a power point show (does not
> require power point to be displayed).
>
> Here is an example of one animated word. It could be a
> sentence, a small movie...
>
>
> André Lemyre
>
>
>
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