Animations to teach signwriting
Charles Butler
chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Fri Jan 10 12:01:45 UTC 2014
I am truly amazed at the improvement in avatar programming since I first saw it modeled in a SWML project in Brazil in 2001. To have a full-time team working on animating the SW corpus is truly astonishing. If it is possible to interlink this program with the SignPuddles at some point in the future, it will truly be astounding to show the world how useful SW is as an everyday writing system that includes all of the parameters in the process.
If one uses "confusao" and "complicado" in LIBRAS as examples, this would be an example the same handshapes connected in the same way where the only difference is speed of movement.
Charles Butler
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From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
The avatar is a 3D character that signs like a human. Like from a video game.
It translates English, French, arabic writen texts by using SignWriting descriptions.
This is more powerful than animated gif. The animated gif is closer from the written form. That is why it can help learning to write.
Because the avatar and gif animation are competing solutions for almost the same needs, we need to discuss to put energy at the right place.
The avatar already exists. It has a huge team.
For more information about the avatar refer to the the tunisian team who worked on an avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation. Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.
http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf
http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html
I will try tomorrow to find the link were you can interact with the avatar. I used it once. It works for ASL, tunisian sign language and more...
André Lemyre
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:09:38 -0800
From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
I would like to get my fact straight. In our vocabulary, Does avatar means 3d animated interpreter? If so, yes Im very interested to be involved however I feel animated signwriting should be different group away from 3d animated interpreter. I do believe 3d animated will be more suffice because its most exciting for general average people.
Dale Archuleta
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From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 5:25:45 PM
Bonjour Mohamed JEMNI,
Bonjour Yosra BOUZID,
il y a présentement une discussion sur le forum général de SignWriting sur la pertinence et la faisabilité d'utiliser des animations en format gif pour enseigner l'écriture de langue signées. Ces animations mettaient en mouvement les symboles standard de SignWriting.
Une extension de cette idée est d'intégrer ces animations dans les dictionnaires de SignWriting comme sign puddle. Il serait alors possible de traduire automatiquement de longs textes en mode animation. Ce concept est très proche de l'avatar que vous avez développé.
Pourriez-vous vous joindre à nous pour cette réflexion?
Merci
André Lemyre
En attachement vous trouverez les discussions précédentes et un exemple
d'animation.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 07:42:43 -0600
From: duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Hi Andre,
One of the great chanllenges of using the current software for
animated GIFs is lining up one frame with the next.
Your idea of all frames having head, is a good idea for a center,
but if each GIF frame is a different size it will only be a little
help for aligning them. A solution with a fixed width and height
per animation would be better (it could be different from one
animation to another).
I was thinking on way would be to make a vertical line and a
horizontal line in the SignWriting as a reference. It would be have
to be big enough to fit all the animation we would want to write.
All frames would come out the same size and everything would be
referent (centered) to these lines.
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The down side is that you would have to manually take out the lines
afterwards frame by frame.
Or
In SignWriter Studio these lines could even be white just like the
background. (Sorry no support for transparencies in SignWriter
Studio at this time). Then with a graphics program that does
transparencies change the white to transparent. Just don't use the
same white (maybe an offwhite) for the hands as for the background
and the lines.
Jonathan
On 1/8/2014 12:02 PM, André L wrote:
>Such an editor would take existing signs and allow manipulating them.
>Example: Selecting a vertical hand would allow to puting it
horizontal to illustrate a rotation...
>
>Such software should not be coded too soon. People need to
explore the possibilities. The proof of concept is starting.
>
>This is my current process.
>1- Import a dictionary in sign writer studio.
>2- Select a sign.
>3-Create a copy of the sign.
>4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to duplicate or reposition.
>5-If necessary add a head. This defines where the hands will be
located.
>6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio in pain.
>7-Resize the paint display.
>-----transparency setting would come here----
>8-Create several copies of the written sign.
>9-Edit each file with the same name and a counter (file 0 is the
original written sign with extra transition symbols). The head
is my origin. It should not move.
>10-Feed the files in a gif animator.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:43:06 -0800
>From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
>
>Yes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated Signwriting Creator" software where it automatically set up rules and grids template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to follow to prevent errors. And capacity to format transparent background
>Dale Archuleta
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
>To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM
>
>
>I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an habit in some future. The need cannot be delayed, we would have to redo much work.
>
>The template window frame for the gif may be
big. We must allow the character to extend
left and right arms. That would make a huge
white square on top of a video. Transparency
would hide less of the content.
>Another example would be animated cartoons.
>
>André Lemyre
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800
>From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
>
>Andre Lemyre
>There are several reasons why transparent background is needed but it is not required. One of examples, if I want to put animated signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.
>Dale Archuleta
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
>To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:57 PM
>
>
>Do you have an example of a need to overlay a sign to something else?
>I think that I saw a free
gif animator 10 years ago
that supported transparent
beackground.
>I will do a research.
>
>André Lemyre
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:03:14 -0800
>From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
>Subject: Re: Animations to
teach signwriting
>To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
>
>Hello
>I understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely transparent background because it's able to overlays anything without modification.
>Dale Archuleta
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
>To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:23:30 AM
>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I agree with a reserve.
>We may want
the white
surfaces of
the hands and
the face to
remain white
if we display
the animation
on a coloured
background.
Also, in my
first
attempts I
used Microsoft
paint, which
does not
support
transparent
background.
Considering
that dictionnaries
have between
1000 and 5000
words, and
there are
several
contributors,
we need to
ensure ease of
creation to
make this
project grow.
Standards will
be important
to avoid
redoing the
work when
someone finds
a better way
to proceed.
>
>Also, I will
contact soon
the tunisian
team who
worked on an
avatar that
translates SignWriting
in a 3D
animation. I
would start
with Yosra
Bouzid and
Mohamed Jemni.
>http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf
>http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html
>
>Conceptually,
our doing gif
animation is a
subset of what
the avatar
does in an
automated
manner. The
avatar may be
able to write
the gif
animations in
an automated
manner on a
large scale.
I such
scenario would
happen, our
best input may
become to
increase the
dictionnaries
size to "feed"
the avatar or
to help it
with
directional
words
(example: I
give you, you
give me).
>
>Concertation will be important before going any further.
>
>André Lemyre
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800
>From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
>Subject: Re:
Animations to
teach
signwriting
>To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
>
>I also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the animated dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat entire dictionary in future use.
>Dale Archuleta
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>;
>To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>;
>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM
>
>
>Hello Jonathan and Valerie,
>
>I would prefer
to have the
animations with
the regular
dictionaries ,
just like the
optional illustration
or video but
distinct.
>In a distant
future, the
translate
feature could
concatenate
the animations
in long
stories.
>
>I will spend
some time
preparing
samples of
animations to
see how
symbols could
be used (good
and bad
examples). I
will provide
several
alternatives
for people to
compare. I
will make a
document to
open a
discussion
establish some
standards (not
my personal
preferences).
We do not want
an animation
of several
words being
misaligned,
shrinking and
growing with
blinking
fuzzy heads
with several
file formats
and
resolution.
>
>We will need
the opinion of
Deaf people,
programmers,
teachers,
SignWriters,
children and
teenagers for
an acceptance
test. Speed
will be an
issue, I
expect Deaf
people and
fluent
signwriters to
prefer fast
videos (i.e.
at a signing
speed) while
beginners will
be lost.
>
>André Lemyre
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800
>From: signwriting at MAC.COM
>Subject: Re:
Animations to
teach
signwriting
>To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
>SignWriting
List
>January 6, 2014
>
>
>Thank you, Jonathan!
>
>
>Val ;-)
>
>
>——
>
>
>
>
>On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>Hi Val,
>> With a few
small
modifications
SignWriter
Studio should
be able to
store and
display
animated
GIFs. Sounds
like an
exciting
project!! :-)
>> I would be
glad to update
SignWriter
Studio so that
it have the
animations.
>>Jonathan
>>
>>
>>On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>
>>SignWriting List
>>>January 6, 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello André!
>>>Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint - It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated GIFs. It looks great!
>>>
>>>
>>>I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an educational tool…I think others agree too -
>>>
>>>
>>>Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a new project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?
>>>
>>>
>>>Take a look at this web page:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/
>>>
>>>
>>>It is a simple page that shows the sign written in SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated version of it…
>>>
>>>
>>>We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature idea…
>>>
>>>
>>>It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...
>>>
>>>
>>>The project could be done for any sign language, and essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated signs -
>>>
>>>
>>>And that brings up the next question….Steve and Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store animated GIFs?
>>>
>>>
>>>Val ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>-------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>>Animations
might be an
intuitive way
to teach
signwriting to
deaf children.
>>>>It uses their
knowledge of
sign language.
>>>>The movements
make the
writing more
intuitive,
closer to
their
experience.
>>>>There are less
symbols to
read at once.
>>>>It is easy to
display on a
screen, a
computer or on
paper.
>>>>A teacher can
write on a
slide with the
mouse during
the class.
>>>>It is possible
to create a
power point
show (does not
require power
point to be
displayed).
>>>>
>>>>Here is an
example of one
animated
word. It
could be a
sentence, a
small movie...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>André Lemyre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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