Animations to teach signwriting

Valerie Sutton signwriting at MAC.COM
Wed Jan 8 14:55:29 UTC 2014 

SignWriting List
January 8, 2014

Thank you, André, Dale and Jonathan, for taking on this SignWriting animation project… 

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On Jan 8, 2014, at 4:19 AM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Hello,
>     Along the same lines, when doing transtions from one handshape to another or one face to another, I think that it would be a good idea to save each of the intermediate frames in the Puddle and properly label them as to was sign they correspond and which frame.  Also a word denoting that these are not regular Signwriting but rather "stills" of a sign. They could come in real handy latter to do another rendering, like avatars for example.  Animated GIF is a rendered format and information about the symbols in each of the frames is lost for future uses.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On 1/7/2014 10:23 PM, André L wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I agree with a reserve.
>> We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain white if we display the animation on a coloured background.  Also, in my first  attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not support transparent background.  Considering that dictionnaries have between 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several contributors, we need to ensure ease of creation to make this project grow.  Standards will be important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a better way to proceed.
>>  
>> Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation.   I would start with  Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.
>> http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf
>> http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html
>> 
>> Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the avatar does in an automated manner.  The avatar may be able to write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large scale.  I such scenario would happen, our best input may become to increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar or to help it with directional words (example: I give you, you give me). 
>>  
>> Concertation will be important before going any further.
>>  
>> André Lemyre
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800
>> From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
>> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>> 
>> I also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the animated dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat entire dictionary in future use.
>> 
>> Dale Archuleta
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>> 
>> From: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>; 
>> To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>; 
>> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting 
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM 
>> 
>> Hello Jonathan and Valerie,
>>  
>> I would prefer to have the animations with the regular dictionaries , just like the optional illustration or video but distinct.
>> In a distant future, the translate feature could concatenate the animations in long stories.
>>  
>> I will spend some time preparing samples of animations to see how symbols could be used (good and bad examples).  I will provide several alternatives for people to compare.  I will make a document to open a discussion establish some standards (not my personal preferences).  We do not want an animation of several words being misaligned, shrinking and growing with blinking  fuzzy heads with several file formats and resolution.  
>>  
>> We will need the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers,  SignWriters, children and teenagers for an acceptance test.  Speed will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while beginners will be lost.  
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>> André Lemyre
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800
>> From: signwriting at MAC.COM
>> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>> 
>> SignWriting List
>> January 6, 2014
>> 
>> Thank you, Jonathan!
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
>> ——
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Val, 
>>     With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be able to store and display animated GIFs.  Sounds like an exciting project!! :-)   
>>     I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have the animations.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>> SignWriting List
>> January 6, 2014
>> 
>> Hello André!
>> Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint - It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated GIFs. It looks great!
>> 
>> I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an educational tool…I think others agree too -
>> 
>> Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a new project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?
>> 
>> Take a look at this web page:
>> 
>> http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/
>> 
>> It is a simple page that shows the sign written in SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated version of it…
>> 
>> We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature idea…
>> 
>> It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-) 
>> 
>> Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...
>> 
>> The project could be done for any sign language, and essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated signs -
>> 
>> And that brings up the next question….Steve and Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store animated GIFs?
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Animations might be an intuitive way to teach signwriting to deaf children.
>> It uses their knowledge of sign language.
>> The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer to their experience.
>> There are less symbols to read at once.
>> It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on paper.
>> A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during the class.
>> It is possible to create a power point show (does not require power point to be displayed).
>>  
>> Here is an example of one animated word.  It could be a sentence, a small movie...
>>  
>>  
>> André Lemyre
>>  
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