Animations to teach signwriting

André L andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
Wed Jan 8 18:20:28 UTC 2014 

It is an excellent example.  
 
The only concept I would add is shrinking hands size to represent hands moving away from the body.
 
Also, it is a good example of a continuous animation made of many images to represent a single movement.  It is longer to develop than my slide show animations with a start-midle -end hand position.  Transitions between images is faster.  It could display a clear distinction between slow and fast hand motions in a sign.
 
We would need to measure the different in preparation time to see if it is a burden or not for a large scale project with little automated support.  It may be a little more effort to code an automated tool to generate continuous animations.
 
The fundamental question for me is: "For Deaf person who has 30 minutes to read an animated text on a technical subject for work (like wiki-sign), what is the format they prefer: natural or concise?".
 
 
About facial expressions, in LSQ, most of the deaf people I met perform oralization for lips reader and sign disambiguation.  In LSQ sign puddle dictionnary we do not have this.
 
André Lemyre
 
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:50:30 -0800
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting ListJanuary 8, 2013
Maybe some of the old animations can be used as a guide to the future ones?…. most avatars do not include the facial expressions needed to really animate signs and sign-sentences - maybe the new avatars do, but in the past that had not been developed enough yet -
Here is Stefan’s sentence with facial expressions...

http://www.movementwriting.org/animation


On Jan 8, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Dale Archuleta <freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:Yes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated Signwriting Creator" software where it automatically set up rules and grids template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to follow to prevent errors. And capacity to format transparent backgroundDale ArchuletaSent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an habit in some future.  The need cannot be delayed, we would have to redo much work. The template window frame for the gif may be big.  We must allow the character to extend  left and right arms.  That would make a huge white square on top of a video.  Transparency would hide less of the content.Another example would be animated cartoons. André Lemyre Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUAndre LemyreThere are several reasons why transparent background is needed but it is not required. One of examples, if I want to put animated signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.Dale ArchuletaSent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidFrom: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>; To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>; Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:57 PM Do you have an example of a need to overlay a sign to something else?I think that I saw a free gif animator 10 years ago that supported transparent beackground.I will do a research. André Lemyre Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:03:14 -0800From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUHelloI understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely transparent background because it's able to overlays anything without modification.Dale ArchuletaSent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidFrom: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>; To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>; Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:23:30 AM Hello, I agree with a reserve.We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain white if we display the animation on a coloured background.  Also, in my first  attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not support transparent background.  Considering that dictionnaries have between 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several contributors, we need to ensure ease of creation to make this project grow.  Standards will be important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a better way to proceed. Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation.   I would start with  Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdfhttp://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.htmlConceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the avatar does in an automated manner.  The avatar may be able to write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large scale.  I such scenario would happen, our best input may become to increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar or to help it with directional words (example: I give you, you give me).  Concertation will be important before going any further. André LemyreDate: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUI also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the animated dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat entire dictionary in future use.Dale ArchuletaSent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidFrom: André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>; To: <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>; Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM Hello Jonathan and Valerie, I would prefer to have the animations with the regular dictionaries , just like the optional illustration or video but distinct.In a distant future, the translate feature could concatenate the animations in long stories. I will spend some time preparing samples of animations to see how symbols could be used (good and bad examples).  I will provide several alternatives for people to compare.  I will make a document to open a discussion establish some standards (not my personal preferences).  We do not want an animation of several words being misaligned, shrinking and growing with blinking  fuzzy heads with several file formats and resolution.   We will need the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers,  SignWriters, children and teenagers for an acceptance test.  Speed will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while beginners will be lost.   André Lemyre  Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800From: signwriting at MAC.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUSignWriting ListJanuary 6, 2014Thank you, Jonathan!Val ;-)——On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca> wrote:Hi Val,     With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be able to store and display animated GIFs.  Sounds like an exciting project!! :-)       I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have the animations.JonathanOn 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:SignWriting ListJanuary 6, 2014Hello André!Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint - It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated GIFs. It looks great!I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an educational tool…I think others agree too -Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a new project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?Take a look at this web page:http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/It is a simple page that shows the sign written in SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated version of it…We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature idea…It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-) Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...The project could be done for any sign language, and essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated signs -And that brings up the next question….Steve and Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store animated GIFs?Val ;-)-------On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca> wrote:Hello,Animations might be an intuitive way to teach signwriting to deaf children.It uses their knowledge of sign language.The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer to their experience.There are less symbols to read at once.It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on paper.A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during the class.It is possible to create a power point show (does not require power point to be displayed). Here is an example of one animated word.  It could be a sentence, a small movie...  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