How do you write down SW symbols Š

Sat Mar 8 20:21:19 UTC 2014

Hi Charles, Stefan, Cherie, Val and everyone,

Val wrote: There are three aspects to this:  1. Three Lanes for Role
Shifting and storytelling   2. Writing punctuation that is actually signed
(like speaking punctuation in a spoken language - like saying the word
QUOTE)   3. Writing punctuation that is not signed (not spoken), but used in
written literature, like periods, commas, footnote markers etc. Punctuation
that has no meaning except in written literature.

Val, I answer: 2 and 3.

Stefan, you are right for 2.

For 3, there are standard SW punctuations (not sign language or spoken
language).  But, I do not know some SW punctuations.  I need to learn them.

Val, do you agree with Stefan's written for quote symbols? I mean 3, not 2.
Look at:
‘ “ ’: http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=4&sgn=47&sid=4975
‘ ” ’: http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=4&sgn=47&sid=4976

Best regards,

André
De :  Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Date :  Sat, 08 Mar 2014 11:37:34 -0800
À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet :  Re: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ

SignWriting List
March 8, 2014

Wonderful, Stefan and André - I am happy to know that you are working
together and that this project is beneficial for your students -

Sorry for our misunderstanding the question -

Have a wonderful weekend everyone -

Val ;-)

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On Mar 8, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
wrote:

> Hi André, Charles, Cherie, Val and sw-list - friends,
>  
> well I am afraid that there is a misunderstanding. Well, while writing these
> punctuation symbols I do not mean to write ASL or DGS (German Sign Language)
> or any other Sign Language.
>  
> This kind of document Andrè is talking abbout is not Sign Language – but kind
> of “sign sequence” following the word order of a written spoken Language
> document. So here we see all these punctuation symbols an dthat is the very
> reason that we need to have a symbol in these documents in case we write a
> word to sign translation. (Within this context I would not want to discuss the
> pros or cons of this kind of document) It is just a possibility to write any
> symbol we finde in spoken Langabuage documents.
>  
> And Cherie ... of course we use in DGS this “quotation sign – bent/hooked U –
> hand shape) but that is – as you already mentioned – for a different purpose
> ... For documents to support Spoken Language skills simple symbols are just
> fine and enough.
>  
> All best
>  
> Stefan
>  
> 
> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag vonCharles Butler
> Gesendet: Samstag, 8. März 2014 08:42
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> Betreff: Re: AW: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ
>  
> IStephan, 
> 
>  understand your choice for writing a spoken language, I chose to write as I
> would sign. i would not use a quote but the ASL equivalent in body shifting
> and eye lift. English has punctuation, that's what the spoken language does
> with a narrative to distinguish speakers. That is not how ASL shows dialogue.
> It does it with body shifts, eye gazes, and other ways of punctuating that are
> not mimicking a spoken language but separation by signs. The closest I do is a
> pause before a body shift, but then the shifted person talks. If one is to
> show a user of ASL how to write English, we need to show that a "quote" is the
> equivalent to a body shift, not a punctuation mark.
>  
>  
> Charles Butler
> chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
> 240-764-5748
> Clear writing moves business forward.
>  
> 
> From: Stefan Woehrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:24 AM
> Subject: AW: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ
>  
> Hi Val, Charles, Andrè, ...
>  
>  
> Are you asking how to write the punctuation like quote symbols?
>  
> On case you are interested to write not signlanguage but "signed German" or
> any other "signed spoken language document" as we need them for deaf students
> to improve their spoken language document I would do it this way.
>  
>  
> I simply added a sign for "quotes" to the dictionary.
>  
>  
> All best
>  
> Stefan
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von André Thibeault
> Gesendet: Samstag, 8. März 2014 01:57
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> Betreff: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ
>  
> Hi Val and everyone,
>  
> Suppose I am writing a story. Here is an example of a dialogue:
>  
> I said: ³I like your clothes.²
>  
> ³Thank you,² responded Val.
>  
> - ³Where did you buy them?²
>  
> - ³I did not buy them: my mother makes my clothes.²
>  
> How do you write down SW symbols for Œ ³ ¹,Œ ² ¹ and Œ-Œ in this text
> above ? 
>  
> In addition, how do you write down SW symbols for Œ«¹ and Œ»¹?
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> André
>  
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