[Sw-l] Report from Steve's desk

André Thibeault atg at VIDEOTRON.CA
Sun Aug 2 13:10:39 UTC 2015 

HI Adam and everyone,

Adam: thank you for your explanation.

Best regards,

André

De :  Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Date :  Sat, 01 Aug 2015 11:32:13 -0700
À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet :  Re: AW: Report from Steve's desk

That is the FSW code for SignWriting. If you are able to use a viewer of
some sort for SignWriting, it would display SignWriting. Otherwise, it is
just a display of the ASCII encoding.

Adam

On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:46 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:

> Hi Val and  Steve,
>  
> When Stefan posts his message on the SW list, why is this often happening
> below ?
>  
> M558x548S30a00482x482S14c21473x522S14c20535x482S28909509x511S33e00482x482
> M642x590S31400533x489S37a06428x460S37906506x561S37906472x460S37906537x561S3790
> 0427x460S37900427x483S37a00511x460S37900511x483S37906472x522S37906428x522S3790
> 6566x483S37906593x483S2f800532x486S37e50568x496S37e5c568x499S37e54519x499S37e5
> 8520x496S36d00528x534S37802568x534S37809583x535S14c20580x507S37d00560x514S37d0
> 1557x510S37d01554x509S37d00552x510S37d00555x517S37d09548x509S37d09548x518S37d0
> 0552x519S37d0a544x510S37d0c542x517S37d07538x517S37d0a541x510S37d09538x515S37d0
> 9540x509S37d01541x518S37d01557x518S37d01560x511S36a10540x520S36a10460x523S33b1
> 0433x471S34c10452x465S34810463x467S35d10431x481S34a10445x483S34810457x483S33b1
> 0482x486S36110432x509S35d10450x508S34810464x509S36520492x510S2f804450x536S2fb0
> 6483x525S2fb02449x526S1002f495x468S37701512x495S37702517x515S21e10508x565S21e1
> 0533x565S21e10557x566S37b01577x562S37b09501x561S37b09498x572S21e10504x572S21e1
> 0528x572S21e10552x572S21e10507x580S21e10531x580S21e10555x580S37906499x588S3790
> 6537x588S37b01580x574S37b06569x588S15c12567x462S37710577x457S37b06583x480S37b0
> 6584x450S37800583x450S37800597x450S21700587x472S37e00601x462S37e14600x470S37c0
> 0607x469S37712610x459S2fb00581x570S2fb05596x564S2fb01608x557S37716617x531S3771
> 6617x581S37710623x459S37a10637x535S37a10617x533S37d06623x577S37d00624x540S37d0
> 0628x540S22700620x567S21700631x541S21c00623x551S21c00623x559S37710628x459S21c0
> 0626x472S31440540x500S31440553x500S31440547x507S31440552x511S31440541x509S3144
> 0542x521S31440547x516S2fb06568x497S2fb02528x497S37d00503x579S37d00578x578S348
>  
> 
> De :  Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
> <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date :  Sat, 01 Aug 2015 16:58:08 +0200
> À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet :  AW: Report from Steve's desk
> 
> Hi Steve, 
>  
> yes --very glad to hear from you ..and yes I enjoyed the symposium ..and there
> have been quite a few I could not follow ..So I am interested to look at the
> videos again and to ask for more information.
>  
> As you already know I startet with the "Rand-Keyboard" Prensentation ..and
> thanks to Yair`s kind support I am on my way to get more familiar with that
> although there is still a long way to go to really understand..smile
>  
>  
> My question to you about FSW:
>  
> M558x548S30a00482x482S14c21473x522S14c20535x482S28909509x511S33e00482x482
> M642x590S31400533x489S37a06428x460S37906506x561S37906472x460S37906537x561S3790
> 0427x460S37900427x483S37a00511x460S37900511x483S37906472x522S37906428x522S3790
> 6566x483S37906593x483S2f800532x486S37e50568x496S37e5c568x499S37e54519x499S37e5
> 8520x496S36d00528x534S37802568x534S37809583x535S14c20580x507S37d00560x514S37d0
> 1557x510S37d01554x509S37d00552x510S37d00555x517S37d09548x509S37d09548x518S37d0
> 0552x519S37d0a544x510S37d0c542x517S37d07538x517S37d0a541x510S37d09538x515S37d0
> 9540x509S37d01541x518S37d01557x518S37d01560x511S36a10540x520S36a10460x523S33b1
> 0433x471S34c10452x465S34810463x467S35d10431x481S34a10445x483S34810457x483S33b1
> 0482x486S36110432x509S35d10450x508S34810464x509S36520492x510S2f804450x536S2fb0
> 6483x525S2fb02449x526S1002f495x468S37701512x495S37702517x515S21e10508x565S21e1
> 0533x565S21e10557x566S37b01577x562S37b09501x561S37b09498x572S21e10504x572S21e1
> 0528x572S21e10552x572S21e10507x580S21e10531x580S21e10555x580S37906499x588S3790
> 6537x588S37b01580x574S37b06569x588S15c12567x462S37710577x457S37b06583x480S37b0
> 6584x450S37800583x450S37800597x450S21700587x472S37e00601x462S37e14600x470S37c0
> 0607x469S37712610x459S2fb00581x570S2fb05596x564S2fb01608x557S37716617x531S3771
> 6617x581S37710623x459S37a10637x535S37a10617x533S37d06623x577S37d00624x540S37d0
> 0628x540S22700620x567S21700631x541S21c00623x551S21c00623x559S37710628x459S21c0
> 0626x472S31440540x500S31440553x500S31440547x507S31440552x511S31440541x509S3144
> 0542x521S31440547x516S2fb06568x497S2fb02528x497S37d00503x579S37d00578x578S3481
> 0430x497S36110459x497 S38700463x496
> M523x558S20500513x543S18011487x528S31400482x482S33f10490x502S18019489x538
> S38700463x496 
> M535x567S34800482x488S31400482x488S10043505x533S20500495x556S30120482x477
> M588x519S36500437x482S34c00466x482S34800497x482S36100527x483S30007527x483S1001
> 1560x489S22a07568x476S2f900577x467
> M543x532S36e00477x520S37803513x477S15a12487x472S15d1a484x453S37803453x496S3770
> b521x503S3780b454x466S31400482x482S33e10493x503 S38700463x496
> M542x538S33e00482x482S15d20520x511S26600526x475S2f900527x463S31400482x482
> M572x603S14c40466x525S14c48443x539S2fb04468x595S2e74c451x578S30a00446x482S3400
> 0446x482S2e700475x564S34c00519x482S11511545x501S20e00554x536S22f04547x555M561x
> 557S14c01518x530S14c09456x530S26506546x538S26512436x534S36e00477x519S30a00483x
> 482S34010493x505 M527x577S33100482x483S20311503x498S23003501x520S37906476x575
> S38800464x496 
> M555x537S33e00482x483S10001509x507S10009468x507S21100522x498S21100465x498S2880
> 7535x501S2881f445x498S30a00482x483
>  
>  
>  As far as I understand ...Your development of FSW - Data allows people in the
> future to post messages written in SignWriting on any (??) website on the
> Internet once the Unicode symbols are ...what? People do not longer have to
> open these documents in a special SignWriting Program but can look at nicely
> presented SignWriting notations.  Is that correct?
>  
> I personally like the freedom to create documents with different workflows
> ...So to type directly with the "Rand-Keyboard" would be fun. On the other
> hand I do have a lot of practice and therefore this method is pretty
> effective, I look for a program that "translates" search-words by
> SignWriting-Entries...and look whether  YOU  opened the option to copy the FSW
> data. 
> Can you please explain..what are the methods at the moment to get this kind of
> Data? 
>  
> As far as I know:
>  
> 1) "Rand-Keyboard"
> 2) SignMaker 2015
> 3) SignPuddle   (Dictionary)
> M602x606S2d320454x528S35000398x484S20300437x548S20300433x565S37806403x573S3780
> 6452x556S34700428x484S36100458x484S35d04505x482S34c00535x482S33b00566x482S1001
> 1558x576S10019534x576S10031558x533S10039531x533S2d606578x559S2d61e515x561
>  
> 4) SignPuddle Literature Dictionary   (love that !!)
>  
> AS1eb20S15a37S26a07S20e00M527x522S15a37473x483S1eb20486x503S20e00498x492S26a07
> 506x477 
> AS18720S18720S2d606S2d61eS20300S20300S2fb00M526x540S18720504x511S18720479x511S
> 2d606504x484S2d61e474x485S2fb00492x478S20300506x460S20300480x460
> AS18040S18048S26500S2f900S36100M519x584S18040488x569S18048466x528S26500489x549
> S2f900491x541S36100482x482
> M533x530S15a56506x493S14c52480x474S20e00491x501S26c00484x515S22522467x470
>  
>  
> Last question ..do not feel pushed...You think some time  the wonderful
> SignMail option will work again??
>  
> All best 
>  
> Stefan
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Stephen E Slevinski
> Jr
> Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2015 16:27
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> Betreff: Report from Steve's desk
>  
> Hi SignWriting list,
>  
> I hope everyone enjoyed the symposium this year.  I enjoyed every
> presentation I understood, and even the ones I didn't.  I look forward
> to the English translations.
>  
> In the past 3 weeks, I have created 5 presentations.  I was only
> supposed to create 2 for the symposium, but new topics kept coming up
> and I was in the groove.
>  
> Please feel free to contact me on the list or privately about any of
> these presentations.
>  
>  
> ------------------------
> The SignWriting Stack 2015
> http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0043.html
>  
> This is a general overview of the technologies related to SignWriting
> and the best practices for online use and development.
>  
>  
> -----------------------------------
> The Use and Structure of SignMaker 2015
> http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html
>  
> SignMaker is an amazing sign editor and dictionary.  SignMaker
> highlights many of the advantages to the Formal SignWriting design. The
> searching possible and the huge sorted dictionaries make me smile.
>  
> I have it on my desktop and use it to view/edit whatever Formal
> SignWriting strings I see.  I smiled when I saw Stefan's name sign
> appear in well formed FSW.
>  
> For an even deeper analysis of the FSW, I use the sw10js API page. API
> stands for application programming interface.  On the API page, you can
> analyze symbol keys, FSW strings, and query strings.
> http://slevinski.github.io/sw10js/api.html
>  
>  
> ------------------------------------
> SignWriting in an ASCII World
> http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html
>  
> This presentation goes in depth into the ASCII markups and definitions.
> It explains the small subset of Regular Expressions that SignWriting
> leverages for definition and searching.
>  
> SignWriting data has been stable in Formal SignWriting since January 12,
> 2012 in ASCII.  The ASCII implementation is half the size of an
> equivalent Unicode solution.  It is 4 times faster to process ASCII than
> the equivalent Unicode.
>  
>  
> -----------------------------------
> What about Unicode? (Part 1)
>  
> Issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8
> http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/sign-writing-in-unicode-8-issues
>  
> I haven't seriously considered Unicode since 2011.  We have different
> ideas.  The history of the Unicode 8 proposal and a detailed analysis
> can be found in this presentation.
>  
> I was fortunate to be able to attend a Unicode Technical Committee just
> this past week.  It was a group of about a dozen experts in script
> encoding, linguistics, and character encoding.  Everyone introduced
> themselves by their name and then the company, such as MicroSoft, Apple,
> Google, IBM, Adobe, ...
>  
> I was proud to introduce myself as Steve Slevinski, Center for Sutton
> Movement Writing.  Val made this trip possible.  Thanks Val.
>  
> I was informed that there are at least 2 people working on SignWriting:
> one at MicroSoft and one at Google.  They will be using the tools I've
> provided to implement their solution.  They don't know how to do it, so
> they were interested in my work and grateful for the information I have
> provided.
>  
> Over 2 days, I was able to present 4 different times.  I used the above
> slideshow twice on the first day.  We argued and discussed and I earned
> their respect.
>  
> I was able to explain my issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8.  They now
> agree that the Unicode 8 proposal is insufficient and has serious issues.
>  
>  
> -----------------------------------
> What about Unicode? (Part 2)
>  
> Thanks to the UTC
> http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/thanks-to-the-utc
>  
> After the first day, I rushed back to the hotel and prepared a second
> slideshow.  It's much shorter, but there are several powerful slide that
> silenced and room and one person exclaimed.  "Wow. That's huge." (slide
> 6).  This slide was the turning point.
>  
> Now there is another Unicode expert who is interested in working on
> SignWriting.  They asked that I provide several examples in my various
> formats: PNG image, Formal SignWriting, PUA Plane 15, and PUA Plane
> 16.   They admitted that we do things with SignWriting that they can not
> do with Unicode.  I told them that we are in production; we can write
> every sign language and any facial expression today.
>  
> They agreed to seriously consider my proposals.  Because we have such a
> large set of data, they agreed to the idea of 1) being able to convert
> from FSW to a future Unicode design and 2) being able to convert back to
> FSW from the future Unicode design.
>  
> Full speed ahead with Formal SignWriting.  3 1/2 years of stability and
> forward compatibility with Unicode 9, 10, 11 or whenever we have a
> workable Unicode solution.
>  
> So the Unicode process has been successfully rebooted.  Unicode 8 is
> fine to use for prototyping, and this is what the big corporations
> needed to begin using SignWriting, but Unicode 8 for SignWriting needs
> major revisions and additional work.  They could simply adopt my work,
> but they are uncomfortable with freeform 2-dimensional creation of signs.
>  
> We who use SignWriting are playing the long game.  We still have first
> generation writers.  Imagine the written sign language world when we
> have several generations with the tradition of writing!
>  
> I plan to write a more detailed blog for Gerard about the future ofsign
> language Wikipedia projects and how Unicode fits into the design.
>  
> Now I'm going on a weeks vacation.
>  
> Regards,
> -Steve
>  
> ________________________________________________
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