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For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking for. Thanks for any assistance! John On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton wrote: > SignWriting List > October 29, 2019 > > Hi John - > This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA > degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of > the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem > from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas > while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post > announcements or questions here on the list. > > So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. > > By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right > there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for > people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you > can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and > that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has > a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire > screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work > that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. > > All the best - Val ;-) > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on >> reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should >> use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses. But to distract from the ache in my >> head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary >> lifestyle. >> >> >> >> Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for >> translation. Others have studied 3D ontologies. Others have studied >> humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, >> is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not >> solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work. >> Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical >> linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and >> Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a >> hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to >> come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I >> believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the >> programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend >> our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into >> Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension). >> >> >> >> What I’ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. Please discuss. >> I think we’re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics group. >> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >> >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >> >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >> > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1290089553.3645341.1597919378490@mail.yahoo.com> ASL is not a word for word translation of English, so there are words that may not be found. The sign you found for moment is the sign for 'second' (as in a duration of time). If you can't find a single word, look for synonyms. On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 06:19:42 AM EDT, John Carlson wrote: I found this: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT . Can this be added to SignWriting? Thanks, John On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson wrote: I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic Metalanguage English exponents. For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking for. Thanks for any assistance! John On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton wrote: SignWriting ListOctober 29, 2019 Hi John -This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post announcements or questions here on the list. So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. All the best - Val ;-) On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: Hello All, My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses. But to distract from the ache in my head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary lifestyle. Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for translation. Others have studied 3D ontologies. Others have studied humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work. Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension). What I’ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. Please discuss. I think we’re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics group. ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie SuttonSignWriting List moderatorsutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie SuttonSignWriting List moderatorsutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie SuttonSignWriting List moderatorsutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I found this: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT . Can this be added to SignWriting? Thanks, John On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson wrote: > I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic Metalanguage > English exponents. > > For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. > > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate > > > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate > > > Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking > for. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > John > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton > wrote: > >> SignWriting List >> October 29, 2019 >> >> Hi John - >> This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA >> degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of >> the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem >> from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas >> while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post >> announcements or questions here on the list. >> >> So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. >> >> By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right >> there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for >> people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you >> can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and >> that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has >> a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire >> screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work >> that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. >> >> All the best - Val ;-) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> >>> >>> My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on >>> reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should >>> use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses. But to distract from the ache in my >>> head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary >>> lifestyle. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for >>> translation. Others have studied 3D ontologies. Others have studied >>> humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, >>> is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not >>> solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work. >>> Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical >>> linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and >>> Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a >>> hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to >>> come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I >>> believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the >>> programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend >>> our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into >>> Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension). >>> >>> >>> >>> What I’ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. Please >>> discuss. I think we’re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics >>> group. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________ >>> >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >>> >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >>> >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >>> >> ________________________________________________ >> >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >> >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >> >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >> > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <6a69884d-e7f5-a2a5-63e7-f9cee1960092@yahoo.ca> Hi John, The SignPuddle is a public dictionnary you can add it yourself here. https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/signmaker.php?ui=1&sgn=4 Jonathan On 8/20/2020 4:18 AM, John Carlson wrote: > I found this: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT . Can this be > added to SignWriting? > > Thanks, > > John > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson > wrote: > > I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic > Metalanguage English exponents. > > For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate > > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate > > > Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was > looking for. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > John > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton > > wrote: > > SignWriting List > October 29, 2019 > > Hi John - > This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project > for an MA degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software > development. Some of the excellent programs that are used > today in the SignWriting world stem from bright enthusiastic > students who had good ideas and tested their ideas while > studying at a university. And very interesting when they post > announcements or questions here on the list. > > So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on > this project. > > By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you > are right there are larger fonts, and you can also access > features developed for people with sight impairment. Under > "Accessibility" on some computers, you can turn your screen > black and the letters can become white or yellow, and that can > help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac > has a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature > where your entire screen can be black and all type is white - > it is rather exciting to work that way and easier on our eyes > sometimes. > > All the best - Val ;-) > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson > > wrote: > > Hello All, > > My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not > depend on reading very small symbols that ache my head or > my eyes. Perhaps I should use larger fonts or (yuck) > glasses. But to distract from the ache in my head, I try > to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary > lifestyle. > > Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic > Metalanguage (NSM) for translation. Others have studied > 3D ontologies. Others have studied humanoid modelling > and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, > is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem > as well, if not solved by Valerie Sutton in her > MovementWriting and SignWriting work. Perhaps the concept > of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical > linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol > unifies Movie and Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, > X3D/VRML and shading languages with a hats off to Ted > Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to > come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics > from NSM). I believe these Prime Shapes can come from > MovementWriting icons (or the programs that create the > icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend our > thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become > animated into Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of > hyperdimension). > > What I’ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. > Please discuss. I think we’re just getting to that in X3D > Models in the semantics group. > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator > sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator > sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<6a69884d-e7f5-a2a5-63e7-f9cee1960092@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Well, I don't know sign language or how to arrange SignWriting! John On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:57 PM Jonathan Duncan < 00000002a18e4451-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> wrote: > Hi John, > > The SignPuddle is a public dictionnary you can add it yourself here. > > https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/signmaker.php?ui=1&sgn=4 > > Jonathan > On 8/20/2020 4:18 AM, John Carlson wrote: > > I found this: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT . Can this be > added to SignWriting? > > Thanks, > > John > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson wrote: > >> I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic Metalanguage >> English exponents. >> >> For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. >> >> >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate >> >> >> >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate >> >> >> Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking >> for. >> >> Thanks for any assistance! >> >> John >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton >> wrote: >> >>> SignWriting List >>> October 29, 2019 >>> >>> Hi John - >>> This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA >>> degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of >>> the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem >>> from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas >>> while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post >>> announcements or questions here on the list. >>> >>> So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. >>> >>> By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right >>> there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for >>> people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you >>> can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and >>> that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has >>> a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire >>> screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work >>> that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. >>> >>> All the best - Val ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: >>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on >>>> reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should >>>> use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses. But to distract from the ache in my >>>> head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary >>>> lifestyle. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for >>>> translation. Others have studied 3D ontologies. Others have studied >>>> humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, >>>> is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not >>>> solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work. >>>> Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical >>>> linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and >>>> Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a >>>> hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to >>>> come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I >>>> believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the >>>> programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend >>>> our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into >>>> Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I’ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. Please >>>> discuss. I think we’re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics >>>> group. >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>>> >>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >>>> >>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: >>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >>>> >>>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>>> >>>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >>>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >>>> >>> ________________________________________________ >>> >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >>> >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >>> >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >>> >> ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the first post, in which the editors discuss the volume: https://acadeafic.org/2020/08/19/sign-language-ideologies/?fbclid=IwAR3PVyBjpT9217sVVTMxmqJvYsylXoy_svOCT4l0HVSBqyEsVm_A_YBqK48 I'll post again when my blog/vlog goes up. Thanks to Valerie and all the members of this list for helping me with this research over the years! 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I've attached a pdf of my chapter for those who might be > interested. > > The site Acadeafic will be publishing a series of blog/vlog posts about > various chapters. I'm working on mine with help from Adam (thank you > Adam!). > Here's the first post, in which the editors discuss the volume: > https://acadeafic.org/2020/08/19/sign-language-ideologies/?fbclid=IwAR3PVyBjpT9217sVVTMxmqJvYsylXoy_svOCT4l0HVSBqyEsVm_A_YBqK48 > I'll post again when my blog/vlog goes up. > > Thanks to Valerie and all the members of this list for helping me with > this research over the years! > > All best, > Erika > -- > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway, she/her/hers > Associate Professor > Department of Anthropology > Oberlin College > > > > Honorable mention, Edward Sapir Book Prize in Linguistic Anthropology > http://gupress.gallaudet.edu/bookpage/SABINbookpage.html > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope the academic visibility will lead to many more fans of Sutton Signwriting! > - Kim from Maine, > author of "A handful of spells" > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 1:45 PM Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway wrote: >> Hello all! I hope you are doing well during all the current challenges. >> >> I'm writing to let list members know that Sign Language Ideologies in Practice, an edited volume to which I've contributed a chapter focusing on SW use in Stefan's German classroom (thanks Stefan!!), has just been published. I've attached a pdf of my chapter for those who might be interested. >> >> The site Acadeafic will be publishing a series of blog/vlog posts about various chapters. I'm working on mine with help from Adam (thank you Adam!). >> Here's the first post, in which the editors discuss the volume: https://acadeafic.org/2020/08/19/sign-language-ideologies/?fbclid=IwAR3PVyBjpT9217sVVTMxmqJvYsylXoy_svOCT4l0HVSBqyEsVm_A_YBqK48 >> I'll post again when my blog/vlog goes up. >> >> Thanks to Valerie and all the members of this list for helping me with this research over the years! >> >> All best, >> Erika >> -- >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway, she/her/hers >> Associate Professor >> Department of Anthropology >> Oberlin College >> >> >> >> Honorable mention, Edward Sapir Book Prize in Linguistic Anthropology >> http://gupress.gallaudet.edu/bookpage/SABINbookpage.html >> >> ________________________________________________ >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >> >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >> >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >> > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking for. Thanks for any assistance! John On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton wrote: > SignWriting List > October 29, 2019 > > Hi John - > This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA > degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of > the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem > from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas > while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post > announcements or questions here on the list. > > So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. > > By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right > there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for > people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you > can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and > that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has > a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire > screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work > that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. > > All the best - Val ;-) > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on >> reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should >> use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses. But to distract from the ache in my >> head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary >> lifestyle. >> >> >> >> Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for >> translation. Others have studied 3D ontologies. Others have studied >> humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, >> is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not >> solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work. >> Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical >> linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and >> Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a >> hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to >> come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I >> believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the >> programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend >> our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into >> Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension). >> >> >> >> What I?ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. Please discuss. >> I think we?re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics group. >> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >> >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >> >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >> > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1290089553.3645341.1597919378490@mail.yahoo.com> ASL is not a word for word translation of English, so there are words that may not be found.? The sign you found for moment is the sign for 'second' (as in a duration of time).? If you can't find a single word, look for synonyms. On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 06:19:42 AM EDT, John Carlson wrote: I found this:??https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT? ?.? Can this be added to SignWriting? Thanks, John On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson wrote: I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic Metalanguage English exponents. For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate? http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking for. Thanks for any assistance! John? On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton wrote: SignWriting ListOctober 29, 2019 Hi John -This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post announcements or questions here on the list. So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. All the best - Val ;-) On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: Hello All, ? My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses.? But to distract from the ache in my head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary lifestyle. ? Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for translation.? Others have studied 3D ontologies. ??Others have studied humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work.? Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension).? ? What I?ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping.? Please discuss.? I think we?re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics group. ? ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie SuttonSignWriting List moderatorsutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie SuttonSignWriting List moderatorsutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie SuttonSignWriting List moderatorsutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I found this: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT . Can this be added to SignWriting? Thanks, John On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson wrote: > I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic Metalanguage > English exponents. > > For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. > > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate > > > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate > > > Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking > for. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > John > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton > wrote: > >> SignWriting List >> October 29, 2019 >> >> Hi John - >> This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA >> degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of >> the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem >> from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas >> while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post >> announcements or questions here on the list. >> >> So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project. >> >> By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right >> there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for >> people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you >> can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and >> that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has >> a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire >> screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work >> that way and easier on our eyes sometimes. >> >> All the best - Val ;-) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> >>> >>> My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on >>> reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should >>> use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses. But to distract from the ache in my >>> head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary >>> lifestyle. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for >>> translation. Others have studied 3D ontologies. Others have studied >>> humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, >>> is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not >>> solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work. >>> Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical >>> linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and >>> Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a >>> hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to >>> come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I >>> believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the >>> programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend >>> our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into >>> Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension). >>> >>> >>> >>> What I?ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping. Please >>> discuss. I think we?re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics >>> group. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________ >>> >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >>> >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >>> >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >>> >> ________________________________________________ >> >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org >> >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu >> >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages >> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 >> > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <6a69884d-e7f5-a2a5-63e7-f9cee1960092@yahoo.ca> Hi John, ??? The SignPuddle is a public dictionnary you can add it yourself here. https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/signmaker.php?ui=1&sgn=4 Jonathan On 8/20/2020 4:18 AM, John Carlson wrote: > I found this: https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT ?.? Can this be > added to SignWriting? > > Thanks, > > John > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson > wrote: > > I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic > Metalanguage English exponents. > > For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate. > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate > > > http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate > > > Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was > looking for. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > John > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton > > wrote: > > SignWriting List > October 29, 2019 > > Hi John - > This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project > for an MA degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software > development. Some of the excellent programs that are used > today in the SignWriting world stem from bright enthusiastic > students who had good ideas and tested their ideas while > studying at a university. And very interesting when they post > announcements or questions here on the list. > > So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on > this project. > > By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you > are right there are larger fonts, and you can also access > features developed for people with sight impairment. Under > "Accessibility" on some computers, you can turn your screen > black and the letters can become white or yellow, and that can > help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac > has a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature > where your entire screen can be black and all type is white - > it is rather exciting to work that way and easier on our eyes > sometimes. > > All the best - Val ;-) > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson > > wrote: > > Hello All, > > My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not > depend on reading very small symbols that ache my head or > my eyes. Perhaps I should use larger fonts or (yuck) > glasses.? But to distract from the ache in my head, I try > to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary > lifestyle. > > Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic > Metalanguage (NSM) for translation.? Others have studied > 3D ontologies. ??Others have studied humanoid modelling > and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, > is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem > as well, if not solved by Valerie Sutton in her > MovementWriting and SignWriting work.? Perhaps the concept > of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical > linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol > unifies Movie and Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, > X3D/VRML and shading languages with a hats off to Ted > Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to > come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics > from NSM). I believe these Prime Shapes can come from > MovementWriting icons (or the programs that create the > icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend our > thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become > animated into Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of > hyperdimension). > > What I?ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping.? > Please discuss.? I think we?re just getting to that in X3D > Models in the semantics group. > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator > sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator > sutton at signwriting.org > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org > > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu > > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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