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Thu Aug 20 10:29:38 UTC 2020

 ASL is not a word for word translation of English, so there are words that may not be found.  The sign you found for moment is the sign for 'second' (as in a duration of time).  If you can't find a single word, look for synonyms.
    On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 06:19:42 AM EDT, John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:  

 I found this:  https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/MOMENT   .  Can this be added to SignWriting?
Thanks,
John
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:03 AM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

I ran into a slight problem translating Natural Semantic Metalanguage English exponents.
For example, "moment" and "anymore" wouldn't translate.
http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=moment&action=translate 
http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4&build=anymore&action=translate
Gave a symbol that I associate with failure to find what it was looking for.
Thanks for any assistance!
John 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:31 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:

SignWriting ListOctober 29, 2019
Hi John -This sounds very interesting. This could possibly be a project for an MA degree or Ph.D dissertation in animation or software development. Some of the excellent programs that are used today in the SignWriting world stem from bright enthusiastic students who had good ideas and tested their ideas while studying at a university. And very interesting when they post announcements or questions here on the list.
So keep us informed if you find others who want to work on this project.
By the way, if you are having trouble seeing on computers, you are right there are larger fonts, and you can also access features developed for people with sight impairment. Under "Accessibility" on some computers, you can turn your screen black and the letters can become white or yellow, and that can help sometimes too. I use that occasionally. Recently the Mac has a new OS 10.14.6 called "Mojave" and it has a new feature where your entire screen can be black and all type is white - it is rather exciting to work that way and easier on our eyes sometimes.
All the best - Val ;-)

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:47 PM John Carlson <yottzumm at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,

My goal is to create a way to use computers which does not depend on reading very small symbols that ache my head or my eyes. Perhaps I should use larger fonts or (yuck) glasses.  But to distract from the ache in my head, I try to come up with a solution that is beyond the sedentary lifestyle.

Some of us have worked on using Natural Semantic Metalanguage (NSM) for translation.  Others have studied 3D ontologies.   Others have studied humanoid modelling and animation. What I would like to work on in addition, is the Fluid Movement Semantic Metalanguage (FMSM) problem as well, if not solved by Valerie Sutton in her MovementWriting and SignWriting work.  Perhaps the concept of Semantic can unify Fluid Movement (physical linguistics) and Sign (key frame), similar to how Symbol unifies Movie and Shape (my focus, based on PostScript, X3D/VRML and shading languages with a hats off to Ted Nelson). I believe this would mean that we would have to come up with Prime Shapes (in addition to Prime Semantics from NSM). I believe these Prime Shapes can come from MovementWriting icons (or the programs that create the icons) or from X3D/VRML ontologies. If we extend our thinking into time, then Signs and Shapes would become animated into Fluid Movement and Movies (possibly of hyperdimension).  

What I’ve left out so far is the semantics of grouping.  Please discuss.  I think we’re just getting to that in X3D Models in the semantics group.

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