From dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 15:17:05 2020
From: dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM (=?UTF-8?B?VHXhu4cgxJBpbmggQ2Fv?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 04:17:05 +0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and cursive
	style
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Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,

Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And
whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?

Best regards,

Mark Dinh

________________________________________________


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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

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From icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 16:16:01 2020
From: icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM (Adam Frost)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:16:01 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
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Hello Mark,

Welcome to the SignWriting List! Thank you for your questions. I will answer your questions about where the name “SignPuddle” came from first. Then the next email I will answer your question about cursive writing. 

I’m sure that Valerie and Stephen Slevinski can go into more detail about the reasoning behind the name “SignPuddle”, but I can tell you what it implies for me.

Imagine a field with hundreds of rain puddles. Each of these puddles are filled with droplets, and each droplet contains a sign used in specific sign language. The result is each puddle is a collection of signs for a given sign language.


Adam

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
> 
> Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
> 
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu <mailto:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu>
> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist>
> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1>

________________________________________________


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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

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From icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 16:44:23 2020
From: icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM (Adam Frost)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
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References: <CAPmRD5QiyesYvW85k6ashgG0QMHtU1_YHL83aSvfHL68diZ=0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB269251-6132-427F-8B75-46EE444F67C5@gmail.com>

By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand. To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes, which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general use. Because of this, there isn’t a whole lot of material or even “standardization” on how to write SignWriting by hand.

I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)

I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can find information and even watch the presentation with this link: https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html <https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html>.

I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson on writing by hand, but it isn’t by any means a complete explanation of how I write by hand. In fact, I don’t think I have even gone into a form of writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting”. You can go to this link to check it out. https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/ <https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/>


Adam

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
> 
> Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
> 
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu <mailto:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu>
> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist>
> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1>

________________________________________________


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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

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From sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG  Wed Jan 15 17:15:23 2020
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:15:23 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
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SignWriting List
January 15, 2020

Hello Mark and Adam -
Thank you for this interesting discussion about the name "SignPuddle".
Adam's answer is poetic and accurate. The idea behind it, as Adam said, is
that as more and more signs are written on the web, one visitor and one
sign at a time, the databases of written signs from different sign
languages grows, becoming small pools or puddles, and then, becoming larger
like an ocean. The SignPuddle database is quite large now, with extensive
writing in sign languages, since 2004.

That is the poetic answer ;-)

The practical answer is that back in 2004, I met software developer Steve
Slevinski, in a Deaf chat room online. They were playing blackjack cards
written in SignWriting with a cool program that Steve had developed. So of
course I introduced myself and asked Steve if he would be interested in
developing more software for SignWriting. I found out that Steve had
started his own organization called PUDL. He told me that it stood for
"Pittsburgh United For Deaf Literacy". So the software that was called
"PUDL" (pronounced "P-U-D-D-L-E") became SignPuddle.

Steve also has other software, such as "SignMaker" and "SignText". The
"SignPuddle" name has been used now for 16 years. People remember the name
because it is so unusual, a little like the name "Google" which is an
unusual name too!

Steve - want to add to the story behind the name "SignPuddle"?

Val ;-)

---------------





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:16 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Mark,
>
> Welcome to the SignWriting List! Thank you for your questions. I will
> answer your questions about where the name “SignPuddle” came from first.
> Then the next email I will answer your question about cursive writing.
>
> I’m sure that Valerie and Stephen Slevinski can go into more detail about
> the reasoning behind the name “SignPuddle”, but I can tell you what it
> implies for me.
>
> Imagine a field with hundreds of rain puddles. Each of these puddles are
> filled with droplets, and each droplet contains a sign used in specific
> sign language. The result is each puddle is a collection of signs for a
> given sign language.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
>
> Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And
> whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
>
>

________________________________________________


SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

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sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

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From 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU  Wed Jan 15 18:00:17 2020
From: 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:00:17 -0000
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
Message-ID: <6458df8d-767e-4207-b6fb-58585991c7f0@me.com>

SignWriting List
January 15, 2020

About Cursive Writing ... or SW Handwriting ... or SW Shorthand (wink back, Adam ;-)

The reason we are smiling at each other is because we used to work with a separate writing method called SignWriting Shorthand versus SignWriting Handwriting, but in recent years the two seem to have blended and people are writing as they wish ;-)

Adam's presentation in 2014: "Ways to Write Sign Languages by Hand with SignWriting" is excellent. If you go to this web page, and scroll down, there is a video, and a PowerPoint showing how Adam writes by hand: https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html

And thank you Adam for pointing out that you have Handwriting in these Facebook lessons:
https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Very nice! Those are great lessons. I hope you all check that out...

So Mark, and everyone, here are links to some old web pages. Do you remember that I taught a course online on SW Handwriting in January 2007? That is 13 years ago! People did their homework and it went well. Their homework is posted on the web. You can download the workbook and take the course on your own any time:

Write SignWriting by Hand
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/

SignWriting Handwriting Course 2007
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html

Handwriting workbook based on the above lessons:
https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf

You can even look at other student's homework to see how they wrote in their workbooks...
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson103.html

People did real well -

So Mark, between Adam's lessons and my 2007 course on the web you have something to study.

Thank you, Mark, for your 1000s of entries in the Singapore Sign Language Dictionary in SignPuddle. You have done a great deal of work and it is inspiring -

Val ;-)



Valere Sutton
sutton at signwriting.org



---------

On January 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand. To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes, which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general use. Because of this, there isn’t a whole lot of material or even “standardization” on how to write SignWriting by hand.

I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)

I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can find information and even watch the presentation with this link: https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html.

I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson on writing by hand, but it isn’t by any means a complete explanation of how I write by hand. In fact, I don’t think I have even gone into a form of writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting”. You can go to this link to check it out. https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Adam


---------
 
On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,

Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?

Best regards,

Mark Dinh
________________________________________________

________________________________________________


SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
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From dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 18:47:24 2020
From: dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM (=?UTF-8?B?VHXhu4cgxJBpbmggQ2Fv?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:47:24 +0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
In-Reply-To: <6458df8d-767e-4207-b6fb-58585991c7f0@me.com>
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Thank you very much! 😊😊 Personally, I find Signwriting is a very
inspiring creation because it gives the deaf community a tool to express
themselves truthfully and confidently through writing. While Signwriting’s
learning curve is steep and there are many other ways to copy signed
languages down on paper, Signwriting, I feel, breaks from the confines of a
so-called “linguist lab” and to more deaf communities around the world,
perhaps due to the number of materials that people can use to study
Signwriting as well as its visual impact.



Vào Th 5, 16 thg 1, 2020 lúc 7:00 SA Valerie Sutton <
0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> đã viết:

> SignWriting List
> January 15, 2020
>
> About Cursive Writing ... or SW Handwriting ... or SW Shorthand (wink
> back, Adam ;-)
>
> The reason we are smiling at each other is because we used to work with
> a separate writing method called SignWriting Shorthand versus SignWriting
> Handwriting, but in recent years the two seem to have blended and people
> are writing as they wish ;-)
>
> Adam's presentation in 2014: "Ways to Write Sign Languages by Hand with
> SignWriting" is excellent. If you go to this web page, and scroll down,
> there is a video, and a PowerPoint showing how Adam writes by hand:
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html
>
> And thank you Adam for pointing out that you have Handwriting in these
> Facebook lessons:
> https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/
>
> Very nice! Those are great lessons. I hope you all check that out...
>
> So Mark, and everyone, here are links to some old web pages. Do you
> remember that I taught a course online on SW Handwriting in January 2007?
> That is 13 years ago! People did their homework and it went well. Their
> homework is posted on the web. You can download the workbook and take the
> course on your own any time:
>
> Write SignWriting by Hand
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/
>
> SignWriting Handwriting Course 2007
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html
>
> Handwriting workbook based on the above lessons:
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf
>
> You can even look at other student's homework to see how they wrote in
> their workbooks...
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson103.html
>
> People did real well -
>
> So Mark, between Adam's lessons and my 2007 course on the web you have
> something to study.
>
> Thank you, Mark, for your 1000s of entries in the Singapore Sign Language
> Dictionary in SignPuddle. You have done a great deal of work and it is
> inspiring -
>
> Val ;-)
>
> [image: Valerie Sutton Name Sign.png]
>
> Valere Sutton
> sutton at signwriting.org
>
>
>
> ---------
>
> On January 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand.
> To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that
> writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The
> main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes,
> which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general
> use. Because of this, there isn’t a whole lot of material or even
> “standardization” on how to write SignWriting by hand.
>
> I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look
> like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to
> some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)
>
> I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can
> find information and even watch the presentation with this link:
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html.
>
> I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson
> on writing by hand, but it isn’t by any means a complete explanation of how
> I write by hand. In fact, I don’t think I have even gone into a form of
> writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting”. You
> can go to this link to check it out.
> https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/
>
> Adam
>
>
> ---------
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
>
> Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And
> whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
>
> ________________________________________________
>
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>
> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>
> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1
>

________________________________________________


SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

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sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

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From 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU  Wed Jan 15 19:01:30 2020
From: 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:01:30 -0000
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
Message-ID: <25d911fb-0a55-487b-b3f9-825f96431636@me.com>

SignWriting List
January 15th, 2020

Thank you for this positive message, Mark. I have printed it and placed it near my computer to keep my spirits up! Wonderful to know that SignWriting is useful ...

Keep asking questions here on the SignWriting List - It helps everyone - we all learn from each other -

Val ;-)

--------------



On January 15, 2020 at 3:48 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Thank you very much! 😊😊 Personally, I find Signwriting is a very inspiring creation because it gives the deaf community a tool to express themselves truthfully and confidently through writing. While Signwriting’s learning curve is steep and there are many other ways to copy signed languages down on paper, Signwriting, I feel, breaks from the confines of a so-called “linguist lab” and to more deaf communities around the world, perhaps due to the number of materials that people can use to study Signwriting as well as its visual impact. 




Vào Th 5, 16 thg 1, 2020 lúc 7:00 SA Valerie Sutton <0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> đã viết:
SignWriting List
January 15, 2020

About Cursive Writing ... or SW Handwriting ... or SW Shorthand (wink back, Adam ;-)

The reason we are smiling at each other is because we used to work with a separate writing method called SignWriting Shorthand versus SignWriting Handwriting, but in recent years the two seem to have blended and people are writing as they wish ;-)

Adam's presentation in 2014: "Ways to Write Sign Languages by Hand with SignWriting" is excellent. If you go to this web page, and scroll down, there is a video, and a PowerPoint showing how Adam writes by hand: https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html

And thank you Adam for pointing out that you have Handwriting in these Facebook lessons:
https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Very nice! Those are great lessons. I hope you all check that out...

So Mark, and everyone, here are links to some old web pages. Do you remember that I taught a course online on SW Handwriting in January 2007? That is 13 years ago! People did their homework and it went well. Their homework is posted on the web. You can download the workbook and take the course on your own any time:

Write SignWriting by Hand
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/

SignWriting Handwriting Course 2007
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html

Handwriting workbook based on the above lessons:
https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf

You can even look at other student's homework to see how they wrote in their workbooks...
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson103.html

People did real well -

So Mark, between Adam's lessons and my 2007 course on the web you have something to study.

Thank you, Mark, for your 1000s of entries in the Singapore Sign Language Dictionary in SignPuddle. You have done a great deal of work and it is inspiring -

Val ;-)



Valere Sutton
sutton at signwriting.org



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On January 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand. To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes, which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general use. Because of this, there isn’t a whole lot of material or even “standardization” on how to write SignWriting by hand.

I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)

I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can find information and even watch the presentation with this link: https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html.

I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson on writing by hand, but it isn’t by any means a complete explanation of how I write by hand. In fact, I don’t think I have even gone into a form of writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting”. You can go to this link to check it out. https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Adam



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On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,

Why is the platform called “SignPuddle” instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?

Best regards,

Mark Dinh
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From sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG  Fri Jan 24 12:04:18 2020
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:04:18 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] Fwd: COMO ESCREVER O SINAL DE LIBRAS EM LIBRAS?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ6mgo8JdTWCZVpb=BYuJu3QMSLYq6St8KfVW_8Jh7iCJRAcvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ6mgo8JdTWCZVpb=BYuJu3QMSLYq6St8KfVW_8Jh7iCJRAcvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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SignWriting List
January 24, 2020

Thank you LIBRAS CENTER for this wonderful video!!
Val ;-)

___________________

See the new video teaching step by step how to write the Libras signs from
LIBRAS (Brazilian Sign Language). Enjoy and visit our site and stay on top
of courses, workshops and other services.

Already visit the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDU05fT7FY&t=12s and
learn to write in LIBRAS.

For more information https://librascenter.blogspot.com

Good Morning!
-
LIBRAS CENTER:
Course materials and services.
Contact: (75) 8163-3741 9
E-mail: librascentermcs at gmail.com
Site: https://librascenter.blogspot.com

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From: Igor Rosario <librascentermcs at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:53 AM
Subject: COMO ESCREVER O SINAL DE LIBRAS EM LIBRAS?

Veja o novo vídeo ensinando o passo a passo de como escrever o sinal de
Libras em Libras. Aproveite e acesse nosso site e fique por dentro de
cursos, oficinas e outros serviços.

Acesse já o link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDU05fT7FY&t=12s e
aprenda a escrever em Libras.

Para mais informações: https://librascenter.blogspot.com

Bom dia!
-- 
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Materiais Cursos e serviços.
Contato: (75)9 8163-3741
E-mail: librascentermcs at gmail.com
Site: https://librascenter.blogspot.com

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From sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG  Mon Jan 27 15:24:44 2020
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 12:24:44 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] GLOSS=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=81RIO_DE_INFOTM=C3=81TICA_?=EM
	ESCRITA DE SINAIS.
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SignWriting List
January 27, 2020

Thank you Igor Rosario, for this YouTube Channel and for the Blogspot
discussing SignWriting!

https://youtu.be/dKg3dBPS3uo

Love these videos!

See more information below -

Val ;-)

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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 3:05 AM Igor Rosario <librascentermcs at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bom dia!
>
> Estamos com um novo material, um dicionário bilíngue, mas focado na
> escrita de sinais. Com ele, você poderá aprender o sinalário da área de
> informática, como também, ter registrado em Libras escrita (Signwriting).
> Saiba mais no site:
> https://librascenter.blogspot.com/2020/01/glossario-de-informatica-em-escrita-de.html
>
> Bom início de semana.
>
> --
> LIBRAS CENTER:
> Materiais Cursos e serviços.
> Contato: (75)9 8163-3741
> E-mail: librascentermcs at gmail.com
> Site: https://librascenter.blogspot.com
>
>

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From gestor.tertulias at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jan 30 13:53:53 2020
From: gestor.tertulias at GMAIL.COM (=?UTF-8?Q?Instituto_Tert=C3=BAlias_Libras?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:53:53 -0300
Subject: [Sw-l] CURSO DE SIGNWRITE COMPLETO EM BH
Message-ID: <CAHHgCWp=bCAtOFMdD6zJ=ceWMkR_hcNBH0PuKTVoNgkjZuQ1uA@mail.gmail.com>

O Instituto Tertúlias Libras está oferecendo o curso de Signwrite completo
presencialmente 1 vez por semana nas quintas-feiras de noite.

O curso será de Fevereiro até Junho.
No curso além de aprender as regras basicas internacionais de escrita de
sinais, os alunos aprenderam estrategias de escrita a caneta e aprenderam a
formar textos completos em SW e ler.

Os Interessados devem vim pessoalmente no endereço; Rua curitiba, número
815, décimo andar, sala 1006/1007 Centro-BH

O Curso será ministrado pelo Professor Carlos Cristian

Att, Carlos Cristian
Gestor e Coordenador do Instituto Tertúlias Libras

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From dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 20:17:05 2020
From: dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM (=?UTF-8?B?VHXhu4cgxJBpbmggQ2Fv?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 04:17:05 +0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and cursive
	style
Message-ID: <CAPmRD5QiyesYvW85k6ashgG0QMHtU1_YHL83aSvfHL68diZ=0w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,

Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And
whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?

Best regards,

Mark Dinh

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From icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 21:16:01 2020
From: icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM (Adam Frost)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:16:01 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
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Hello Mark,

Welcome to the SignWriting List! Thank you for your questions. I will answer your questions about where the name ?SignPuddle? came from first. Then the next email I will answer your question about cursive writing. 

I?m sure that Valerie and Stephen Slevinski can go into more detail about the reasoning behind the name ?SignPuddle?, but I can tell you what it implies for me.

Imagine a field with hundreds of rain puddles. Each of these puddles are filled with droplets, and each droplet contains a sign used in specific sign language. The result is each puddle is a collection of signs for a given sign language.


Adam

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
> 
> Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
> 
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu <mailto:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu>
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From icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 21:44:23 2020
From: icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM (Adam Frost)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
In-Reply-To: <CAPmRD5QiyesYvW85k6ashgG0QMHtU1_YHL83aSvfHL68diZ=0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPmRD5QiyesYvW85k6ashgG0QMHtU1_YHL83aSvfHL68diZ=0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB269251-6132-427F-8B75-46EE444F67C5@gmail.com>

By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand. To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes, which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general use. Because of this, there isn?t a whole lot of material or even ?standardization? on how to write SignWriting by hand.

I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)

I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can find information and even watch the presentation with this link: https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html <https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html>.

I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson on writing by hand, but it isn?t by any means a complete explanation of how I write by hand. In fact, I don?t think I have even gone into a form of writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting?. You can go to this link to check it out. https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/ <https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/>


Adam

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
> 
> Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
> 
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu <mailto:sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu>
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From sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG  Wed Jan 15 22:15:23 2020
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:15:23 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
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SignWriting List
January 15, 2020

Hello Mark and Adam -
Thank you for this interesting discussion about the name "SignPuddle".
Adam's answer is poetic and accurate. The idea behind it, as Adam said, is
that as more and more signs are written on the web, one visitor and one
sign at a time, the databases of written signs from different sign
languages grows, becoming small pools or puddles, and then, becoming larger
like an ocean. The SignPuddle database is quite large now, with extensive
writing in sign languages, since 2004.

That is the poetic answer ;-)

The practical answer is that back in 2004, I met software developer Steve
Slevinski, in a Deaf chat room online. They were playing blackjack cards
written in SignWriting with a cool program that Steve had developed. So of
course I introduced myself and asked Steve if he would be interested in
developing more software for SignWriting. I found out that Steve had
started his own organization called PUDL. He told me that it stood for
"Pittsburgh United For Deaf Literacy". So the software that was called
"PUDL" (pronounced "P-U-D-D-L-E") became SignPuddle.

Steve also has other software, such as "SignMaker" and "SignText". The
"SignPuddle" name has been used now for 16 years. People remember the name
because it is so unusual, a little like the name "Google" which is an
unusual name too!

Steve - want to add to the story behind the name "SignPuddle"?

Val ;-)

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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:16 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Mark,
>
> Welcome to the SignWriting List! Thank you for your questions. I will
> answer your questions about where the name ?SignPuddle? came from first.
> Then the next email I will answer your question about cursive writing.
>
> I?m sure that Valerie and Stephen Slevinski can go into more detail about
> the reasoning behind the name ?SignPuddle?, but I can tell you what it
> implies for me.
>
> Imagine a field with hundreds of rain puddles. Each of these puddles are
> filled with droplets, and each droplet contains a sign used in specific
> sign language. The result is each puddle is a collection of signs for a
> given sign language.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
>
> Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And
> whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
>
>

________________________________________________


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From 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU  Wed Jan 15 23:00:17 2020
From: 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:00:17 -0000
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
Message-ID: <6458df8d-767e-4207-b6fb-58585991c7f0@me.com>

SignWriting List
January 15, 2020

About Cursive Writing ... or SW Handwriting ... or SW Shorthand (wink back, Adam ;-)

The reason we are smiling at each other is because we?used to work with a?separate writing method?called SignWriting Shorthand versus SignWriting Handwriting, but in recent years the two seem to have blended and people are writing as they wish ;-)

Adam's presentation?in 2014: "Ways to Write Sign Languages by Hand with SignWriting" is excellent. If you go to this web page, and scroll down, there is a video, and a PowerPoint showing how Adam writes by hand:?https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html

And thank you Adam for pointing out that you have Handwriting in these Facebook lessons:
https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Very nice! Those are great lessons. I hope you all check that out...

So Mark, and everyone, here are links to some old web pages. Do you remember that I taught a course online on SW Handwriting?in January 2007? That is 13 years ago! People did their homework and it went well. Their homework is posted on the web. You can download the workbook and take the course on your own any time:

Write SignWriting by Hand
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/

SignWriting Handwriting Course 2007
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html

Handwriting workbook based on the above lessons:
https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf

You can even look at other student's homework to see how they wrote in their workbooks...
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson103.html

People did real well -

So Mark, between Adam's lessons and my 2007 course on the web you have something to study.

Thank you, Mark, for your 1000s of entries in the Singapore Sign Language Dictionary in SignPuddle. You have done a great deal of work and it is inspiring -

Val ;-)



Valere Sutton
sutton at signwriting.org



---------

On January 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand. To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes, which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general use. Because of this, there isn?t a whole lot of material or even ?standardization? on how to write SignWriting by hand.

I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)

I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can find information and even watch the presentation with this link:?https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html.

I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson on writing by hand, but it isn?t by any means a complete explanation of how I write by hand. In fact, I don?t think I have even gone into a form of writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting?. You can go to this link to check it out.?https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Adam


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?
On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,

Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?

Best regards,

Mark Dinh
________________________________________________

________________________________________________


SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

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From dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM  Wed Jan 15 23:47:24 2020
From: dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM (=?UTF-8?B?VHXhu4cgxJBpbmggQ2Fv?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:47:24 +0800
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
In-Reply-To: <6458df8d-767e-4207-b6fb-58585991c7f0@me.com>
References: <6458df8d-767e-4207-b6fb-58585991c7f0@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAPmRD5Q39kxwBWyZmQB6HxYphVN1L-V-Cn4vW_AvaijY_-7GxA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much! ?? Personally, I find Signwriting is a very
inspiring creation because it gives the deaf community a tool to express
themselves truthfully and confidently through writing. While Signwriting?s
learning curve is steep and there are many other ways to copy signed
languages down on paper, Signwriting, I feel, breaks from the confines of a
so-called ?linguist lab? and to more deaf communities around the world,
perhaps due to the number of materials that people can use to study
Signwriting as well as its visual impact.



V?o Th 5, 16 thg 1, 2020 l?c 7:00 SA Valerie Sutton <
0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> ?? vi?t:

> SignWriting List
> January 15, 2020
>
> About Cursive Writing ... or SW Handwriting ... or SW Shorthand (wink
> back, Adam ;-)
>
> The reason we are smiling at each other is because we used to work with
> a separate writing method called SignWriting Shorthand versus SignWriting
> Handwriting, but in recent years the two seem to have blended and people
> are writing as they wish ;-)
>
> Adam's presentation in 2014: "Ways to Write Sign Languages by Hand with
> SignWriting" is excellent. If you go to this web page, and scroll down,
> there is a video, and a PowerPoint showing how Adam writes by hand:
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html
>
> And thank you Adam for pointing out that you have Handwriting in these
> Facebook lessons:
> https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/
>
> Very nice! Those are great lessons. I hope you all check that out...
>
> So Mark, and everyone, here are links to some old web pages. Do you
> remember that I taught a course online on SW Handwriting in January 2007?
> That is 13 years ago! People did their homework and it went well. Their
> homework is posted on the web. You can download the workbook and take the
> course on your own any time:
>
> Write SignWriting by Hand
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/
>
> SignWriting Handwriting Course 2007
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html
>
> Handwriting workbook based on the above lessons:
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf
>
> You can even look at other student's homework to see how they wrote in
> their workbooks...
> https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson103.html
>
> People did real well -
>
> So Mark, between Adam's lessons and my 2007 course on the web you have
> something to study.
>
> Thank you, Mark, for your 1000s of entries in the Singapore Sign Language
> Dictionary in SignPuddle. You have done a great deal of work and it is
> inspiring -
>
> Val ;-)
>
> [image: Valerie Sutton Name Sign.png]
>
> Valere Sutton
> sutton at signwriting.org
>
>
>
> ---------
>
> On January 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand.
> To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that
> writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The
> main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes,
> which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general
> use. Because of this, there isn?t a whole lot of material or even
> ?standardization? on how to write SignWriting by hand.
>
> I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look
> like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to
> some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)
>
> I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can
> find information and even watch the presentation with this link:
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html.
>
> I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson
> on writing by hand, but it isn?t by any means a complete explanation of how
> I write by hand. In fact, I don?t think I have even gone into a form of
> writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting?. You
> can go to this link to check it out.
> https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/
>
> Adam
>
>
> ---------
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,
>
> Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And
> whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Dinh
> ________________________________________________
>
> ________________________________________________
>
> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>
> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>
> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>
> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1
>

________________________________________________


SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist

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From 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU  Thu Jan 16 00:01:30 2020
From: 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:01:30 -0000
Subject: [Sw-l] About =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9CSignwriting=E2=80=9D_?=and
	cursive style
Message-ID: <25d911fb-0a55-487b-b3f9-825f96431636@me.com>

SignWriting List
January 15th, 2020

Thank you for this positive message, Mark.?I have printed it and placed it near my computer to keep my spirits up! Wonderful to know that SignWriting is useful ...

Keep asking questions here on the SignWriting List - It helps everyone - we all learn from each other -

Val ;-)

--------------



On January 15, 2020 at 3:48 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Thank you very much! ?? Personally, I find Signwriting is a very inspiring creation because it gives the deaf community a tool to express themselves truthfully and confidently through writing. While Signwriting?s learning curve is steep and there are many other ways to copy signed languages down on paper, Signwriting, I feel, breaks from the confines of a so-called ?linguist lab? and to more deaf communities around the world, perhaps due to the number of materials that people can use to study Signwriting as well as its visual impact.?




V?o Th 5, 16 thg 1, 2020 l?c 7:00 SA Valerie Sutton <0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> ?? vi?t:
SignWriting List
January 15, 2020

About Cursive Writing ... or SW Handwriting ... or SW Shorthand (wink back, Adam ;-)

The reason we are smiling at each other is because we?used to work with a?separate writing method?called SignWriting Shorthand versus SignWriting Handwriting, but in recent years the two seem to have blended and people are writing as they wish ;-)

Adam's presentation?in 2014: "Ways to Write Sign Languages by Hand with SignWriting" is excellent. If you go to this web page, and scroll down, there is a video, and a PowerPoint showing how Adam writes by hand:?https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html

And thank you Adam for pointing out that you have Handwriting in these Facebook lessons:
https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Very nice! Those are great lessons. I hope you all check that out...

So Mark, and everyone, here are links to some old web pages. Do you remember that I taught a course online on SW Handwriting?in January 2007? That is 13 years ago! People did their homework and it went well. Their homework is posted on the web. You can download the workbook and take the course on your own any time:

Write SignWriting by Hand
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/

SignWriting Handwriting Course 2007
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html

https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html

Handwriting workbook based on the above lessons:
https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf

You can even look at other student's homework to see how they wrote in their workbooks...
https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson103.html

People did real well -

So Mark, between Adam's lessons and my 2007 course on the web you have something to study.

Thank you, Mark, for your 1000s of entries in the Singapore Sign Language Dictionary in SignPuddle. You have done a great deal of work and it is inspiring -

Val ;-)



Valere Sutton
sutton at signwriting.org



---------

On January 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

By cursive style, I assume you are referring to write SignWriting by hand. To be honest, there are several different ways to write by hand that writers will use. In fact, it become very individualistic and personal. The main reason is because most writers will write by hand for personal notes, which might be later transferred to the computer to print out for general use. Because of this, there isn?t a whole lot of material or even ?standardization? on how to write SignWriting by hand.

I do a lot of writing by hand myself to the extent that it might not look like SignWriting to some people. It might almost be considered shorthand to some people as well. (Right, Valerie? *wink*)

I did a presentation on various ways to write by hand in 2014. You can find information and even watch the presentation with this link:?https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html.

I have also done some short lessons on Facebook that include some lesson on writing by hand, but it isn?t by any means a complete explanation of how I write by hand. In fact, I don?t think I have even gone into a form of writing that I have personally been calling "simplified handwriting?. You can go to this link to check it out.?https://www.facebook.com/SignWritingLessonsWithAdam/

Adam



---------
?
On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Tu? ?inh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
Dear Ms Val and Mr Adam,

Why is the platform called ?SignPuddle? instead of any other names? And whether there are materials to study the cursive style of Signwriting?

Best regards,

Mark Dinh
________________________________________________
________________________________________________

SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1
________________________________________________

SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1

________________________________________________


SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton at signwriting.org

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sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu

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From sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG  Fri Jan 24 17:04:18 2020
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:04:18 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] Fwd: COMO ESCREVER O SINAL DE LIBRAS EM LIBRAS?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ6mgo8JdTWCZVpb=BYuJu3QMSLYq6St8KfVW_8Jh7iCJRAcvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ6mgo8JdTWCZVpb=BYuJu3QMSLYq6St8KfVW_8Jh7iCJRAcvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACZTApigNBdLRGv+iOd=Ls0jtn-J_ZLJV2R-FUhwUH+Ac7SiHw@mail.gmail.com>

SignWriting List
January 24, 2020

Thank you LIBRAS CENTER for this wonderful video!!
Val ;-)

___________________

See the new video teaching step by step how to write the Libras signs from
LIBRAS (Brazilian Sign Language). Enjoy and visit our site and stay on top
of courses, workshops and other services.

Already visit the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDU05fT7FY&t=12s and
learn to write in LIBRAS.

For more information https://librascenter.blogspot.com

Good Morning!
-
LIBRAS CENTER:
Course materials and services.
Contact: (75) 8163-3741 9
E-mail: librascentermcs at gmail.com
Site: https://librascenter.blogspot.com

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From: Igor Rosario <librascentermcs at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:53 AM
Subject: COMO ESCREVER O SINAL DE LIBRAS EM LIBRAS?

Veja o novo v?deo ensinando o passo a passo de como escrever o sinal de
Libras em Libras. Aproveite e acesse nosso site e fique por dentro de
cursos, oficinas e outros servi?os.

Acesse j? o link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDU05fT7FY&t=12s e
aprenda a escrever em Libras.

Para mais informa??es: https://librascenter.blogspot.com

Bom dia!
-- 
LIBRAS CENTER:
Materiais Cursos e servi?os.
Contato: (75)9 8163-3741
E-mail: librascentermcs at gmail.com
Site: https://librascenter.blogspot.com

_____________

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From sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG  Mon Jan 27 20:24:44 2020
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG (Valerie Sutton)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 12:24:44 -0800
Subject: [Sw-l] GLOSS=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=81RIO_DE_INFOTM=C3=81TICA_?=EM
	ESCRITA DE SINAIS.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ6mgo-0CfMbRMickEKoUM6rEn4wDkNL_oDwQWHsHBROk1ypSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ6mgo-0CfMbRMickEKoUM6rEn4wDkNL_oDwQWHsHBROk1ypSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACZTAphVsrUbAKjaB6ipXSLuH1LDMigUnD8iVwWp1cbyxCH+cg@mail.gmail.com>

SignWriting List
January 27, 2020

Thank you Igor Rosario, for this YouTube Channel and for the Blogspot
discussing SignWriting!

https://youtu.be/dKg3dBPS3uo

Love these videos!

See more information below -

Val ;-)

--------

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 3:05 AM Igor Rosario <librascentermcs at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bom dia!
>
> Estamos com um novo material, um dicion?rio bil?ngue, mas focado na
> escrita de sinais. Com ele, voc? poder? aprender o sinal?rio da ?rea de
> inform?tica, como tamb?m, ter registrado em Libras escrita (Signwriting).
> Saiba mais no site:
> https://librascenter.blogspot.com/2020/01/glossario-de-informatica-em-escrita-de.html
>
> Bom in?cio de semana.
>
> --
> LIBRAS CENTER:
> Materiais Cursos e servi?os.
> Contato: (75)9 8163-3741
> E-mail: librascentermcs at gmail.com
> Site: https://librascenter.blogspot.com
>
>

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sutton at signwriting.org

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From gestor.tertulias at GMAIL.COM  Thu Jan 30 18:53:53 2020
From: gestor.tertulias at GMAIL.COM (=?UTF-8?Q?Instituto_Tert=C3=BAlias_Libras?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:53:53 -0300
Subject: [Sw-l] CURSO DE SIGNWRITE COMPLETO EM BH
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O Instituto Tert?lias Libras est? oferecendo o curso de Signwrite completo
presencialmente 1 vez por semana nas quintas-feiras de noite.

O curso ser? de Fevereiro at? Junho.
No curso al?m de aprender as regras basicas internacionais de escrita de
sinais, os alunos aprenderam estrategias de escrita a caneta e aprenderam a
formar textos completos em SW e ler.

Os Interessados devem vim pessoalmente no endere?o; Rua curitiba, n?mero
815, d?cimo andar, sala 1006/1007 Centro-BH

O Curso ser? ministrado pelo Professor Carlos Cristian

Att, Carlos Cristian
Gestor e Coordenador do Instituto Tert?lias Libras

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